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Post by _LMG_10_ on Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:29 am

I'm left with a bitter taste in my mouth because of the penalty miss.

I just do not understand the decision to give Neymar the penalty. He was having a very poor game (especially in the 1st half) and I just KNEW he was going to miss it. You DON'T give a penalty to a player who is playing poorly. If anything, give it to Suarez, who needs the confidence in front of goal. It's not like 3-1 is a huge lead in this tie.

Neymar just gave away too many balls in the first half and every time he tried to dribble, I knew he was going no where. He lost too many balls. It felt the same way as Pedro when he gets the ball, you know he's going no where.

Overall I thought it wasn't a very good performance, and the team still struggles to break down buses as they're lacking penetration. We created some nice chances after the first goal, but we couldn't carry that momentum throughout the game. I just hope that stupid penalty miss doesn't come back to bite us in the ass. Remember, villarreal score in every game they play.

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Post by _LMG_10_ on Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:59 am

@danyjr wrote:Very disappointing performance by Ter Stegen. A goalkeeper needs to be more confident, more vocal and get his defenders to focus but he doesn't even show that he is focused on his game. The goal was a result of him caught sleeping and then he had another quarter hearted attempt to come out at a corner and punch the ball which was disastrously comical.



rwo is right. How do you expect him to stay sharp when he barely plays? Being a barca keeper is difficult enough, as you're napping for 60 minutes then are suddenly called into action.

Between the copa and CL, it isn't a lot of game time, not to mention the champions league matches are so spread out that he can never gain any consistent playing time. And the copa is mostly shitty teams who never test him anyway, until the quarter final stages. It's not fair to judge him too much based on a couple of errors, which are obviously going to happen.

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Post by futbol on Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:17 am

Meh. Villarreal ain't winning 2-0 or 4-1. When was the last time Barca lost by 2 goals without reply or conceded 4? Against Bayern? Villarreal either keep parking the bus and at worst it ends 0-0, 1-1 or narrow 0-1 defeat or they go gung-ho and concede with 100 % certainty. Tie is over. Messi taking the penalty wouldn't have guaranteed anything, statistically he missed like 40 or 50 % of his penalties in the Copa del Rey anyway.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:21 am

Messi has a penalty conversion rate of 89%, what difference does the competition make? Laughing If it really is true that his conversion rate in the copa del rey is significantly lower then that can only be just a coincidence, the sampling size is too small.

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Post by Donuts on Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:04 am

MatS has played atleast 10 matches for us, lack of game time isn't too great of an excuse it'll help him yeah to play more regular but other then his technical abilities he has been meh.

one major example is today he got bullied by Gio dos Santos in a header... luckily he missed but still, also the goal was preventable.

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Post by futbol on Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:22 am

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Messi has a penalty conversion rate of 89%, what difference does the competition make? Laughing If it really is true that his conversion rate in the copa del rey is significantly lower then that can only be just a coincidence, the sampling size is too small.


He doesn't take Copa seriously? hmm

Anyway. Here are some nice graphics.



https://2img.net/h/s28.postimg.cc/46ao41u8d/Ballon_d_Or_2015.png (open in new tab, picture is too big)

https://2img.net/h/s3.postimg.cc/vsesnit0j/Unavngivet.png (open in new tab)

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Re: Copa del Rey Semi Final; full discussion : Barcelona v Villarreal

Post by rwo power on Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:51 am

@Donuts wrote:MatS has played atleast 10 matches for us, lack of game time isn't too great of an excuse it'll help him yeah to play more regular but other then his technical abilities he has been meh.

one major example is today he got bullied by Gio dos Santos in a header... luckily he missed but still, also the goal was preventable.
Goalies are not outfield players, and for them it is much more necessary to build up and understanding with the backline and confidence. Especially the latter is not easily possible if you don't have the feeling the coach trusts fully in you, and the former can't be build up properly if you don't have a steady playing rhythm.

The getting bullied thing has a lot to do with proper confidence, and by giving him only very limited time and no proper rhythm, the coach is actively sabotaging MAtS' development.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:42 am

@rwo power wrote:
@Donuts wrote:MatS has played atleast 10 matches for us, lack of game time isn't too great of an excuse it'll help him yeah to play more regular but other then his technical abilities he has been meh.

one major example is today he got bullied by Gio dos Santos in a header... luckily he missed but still, also the goal was preventable.
Goalies are not outfield players, and for them it is much more necessary to build up and understanding with the backline and confidence. Especially the latter is not easily possible if you don't have the feeling the coach trusts fully in you, and the former can't be build up properly if you don't have a steady playing rhythm.

The getting bullied thing has a lot to do with proper confidence, and by giving him only very limited time and no proper rhythm, the coach is actively sabotaging MAtS' development.


Oh dear. I can foresee where this ends.

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Re: Copa del Rey Semi Final; full discussion : Barcelona v Villarreal

Post by Donuts on Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:27 pm

getting bullied comes down to strength not confidence, i mean cmon he was softer then sergio buscuit in that play, and not even against a strong striker.

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Re: Copa del Rey Semi Final; full discussion : Barcelona v Villarreal

Post by danyjr on Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:31 pm

@rwo power wrote:How do you expect a young goalie of just 22 years of age to properly develop and gain confidence if you only give him irregular playing time? If MAtS regresses, you can thank the weird goalie rotation model of Barca.

The goal has nothing to do with irregular playing time. You need to be alert, you play for a top team ffs and you're not expected to be an average goalkeeper. Imagine if this was against Real Madrid, he'd be benched for eternity and rightly so.

I do however understand that he'll need playing time. He needs to build more understanding with his defenders and to be way more vocal. The mistake on the corner can be corrected with that. But the first goal, no.

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Re: Copa del Rey Semi Final; full discussion : Barcelona v Villarreal

Post by danyjr on Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:36 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@windkick wrote:hey Dany who's the guy in your AV?


Joaquin Correa


BC beat me to it

One of Primera División's best players last season at the age of only 19 and certainly the young player of the year without a doubt. Sampdoria signed him for €8.3 million. Perhaps a little too early to move to Europe, I'm just hoping he doesn't have the same fate as Leandro Paredes Sad

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:44 pm

Paredes just scored for Roma and they seem intent on keeping him. But he has never looked like he would live up to the hype.

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Re: Copa del Rey Semi Final; full discussion : Barcelona v Villarreal

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:41 am



Pretty sure he completed more passes with his head than his weak foot Laughing

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Re: Copa del Rey Semi Final; full discussion : Barcelona v Villarreal

Post by windkick on Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:18 pm

Decided to edit the title and use this thread for discussion for both matches.

Leg 2 today

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Post by windkick on Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:24 am

so no one cared? LOL

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Post by Donuts on Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:37 am

hope buscuit isn't out for too long.

mascherano to be our DM in our most important games
samper backup? hmm

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Post by CBarca on Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:54 am

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Re: Copa del Rey Semi Final; full discussion : Barcelona v Villarreal

Post by windkick on Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:01 pm

@Donuts wrote:hope buscuit isn't out for too long.

mascherano to be our DM in our most important games
samper backup? hmm


Busquets is slated to be back in time for el Clasico which is on 3/22

Games he is gonna likely miss

3/8 - Rayo (home)
3/14 - Eibar (away)
3/18 - Man City (home)

I could see us using Samper to start in at least the Eibar game. Samper to be the Mascherno back up should be good enough, as Masch has the energy to play full matches. If Mascherano plays like he did the WC we should be fine until Busquets returns. I don't see any other option other than Samper tbh for the DM back up role. Rafinha, Xavi nor Rakitic would do good there

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Post by Donuts on Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:52 pm

If buscuit is back the day off el classico he shouldn't play..
wont be match fit, and enrique seems like that type of guy to to play a halffit player...
UNLESS it's over pedro and that's understandable.

but the issue isn't really replacing Buscuit but more about replacing Mascherano.

lately, mathieu hasn't looked so great.. in the start of the season he looked about right.. maybe lack of consistancy in games damaged him??
i doubt we'll play bartra on the classico

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:55 pm

Mascherano had Biglia to cover him in the world cup, at Barça he has no one. I would rather we play Samper there, especially since Eibar and Rayo are not top clubs, when else is he going to play?

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Post by CBarca on Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:32 pm

Busquets doesn't need to be match fit though. He's the most unathletic player in the game atm. As soon as the boy is off the hospital bed he's just about hitting peak athletic form Laughing

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Re: Copa del Rey Semi Final; full discussion : Barcelona v Villarreal

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:13 am

I never understood why we have to wait til May to paly the final.

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Re: Copa del Rey Semi Final; full discussion : Barcelona v Villarreal

Post by neuro11 on Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:30 am

@CBarca wrote:Busquets doesn't need to be match fit though. He's the most unathletic player in the game atm. As soon as the boy is off the hospital bed he's just about hitting peak athletic form Laughing


yeah..your expectation reached the peak as well.Laughing

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Post by neuro11 on Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:33 am

so that we can focus on more important business in the mean time.... :coffee:

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