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Post by Freeza Wed May 27, 2015 10:07 pm

Adit wrote:Mad max was dire to me. Lot of action but the movie lacked script and suspense.
My buddies loved it but that's their taste...they love movies with absolute shet scripts .


You've obviously no idea what a script contains or how the development of a thing like that takes place. But keep going. What's wrong with the script? Laughing

This prejudice against anything action is so funny. To write a script where you can make actions tell entire stories and not rely on exposition in dialogue is amazing.

This film is one of the rare cases where it's an entirely visual form of storytelling, where nothing would be lost without the sound.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed May 27, 2015 10:15 pm

Adit wrote:Mad max was dire to me. Lot of action but the movie lacked script and suspense.
My buddies loved it but that's their taste...they love movies with absolute shet scripts .
What do you mean? The movie was complete suspense, I was on edge the entire time Laughing
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Post by RealGunner Wed May 27, 2015 10:17 pm

Lacked script and suspense scratch

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Post by Adit Wed May 27, 2015 10:22 pm

I'm on phone so can't type much. What lacked in the script? Story. Why should action and story be mutually exclusive? Why can't we have both.. This is were this movie failed. It had action but don't tell me there was an ounce of suspense or story. Most interesting character on that movie was Furiosa and then that Guitarist... Tom hardy should ask himself what was he doing in that movie.
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Post by Adit Wed May 27, 2015 10:27 pm

I understand why many like movies like that though. That's just not my taste though, I enjoy movies with a story mainly..
If its predictable which most action movies are now days then it gets really boring for me at least.
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Post by Freeza Wed May 27, 2015 10:32 pm

Adit wrote:I'm on phone so can't type much. What lacked in the script? Story. Why should action and story be mutually exclusive? Why can't we have both.. This is were this movie failed. It had action but don't tell me there was an ounce of suspense or story. Most interesting character on that movie was Furiosa and then that Guitarist... Tom hardy should ask himself what was he doing in that movie.


Before you start throwing around your obviously very wrong complaints. You should get some facts straight. Story and plot are not the same. Story is something that isn't shown on screen at all times. Story is what you can read from actions that are now shown in film, things that are spoken.

There is a lot of subtle elements of story in the film throughout, you just have to intelligent enough to put them together without being forcefed this information.

Little girl example
Spoiler:

Another great element of how George Miller has subtlety incorporated story elements is this
The many mothers:

The writing on the wall and Angharad.
Spoiler:

There are so many story elements placed throughout the film. You're pretty much confusing Story and Plot with expositional dialogue, which is not the case in this film.

Mad Max has so much story in every image. It trust the viewer to form the story by themselves instead of letting the directer feed it to the viewer with a spoon.
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Post by El Gunner Wed May 27, 2015 10:52 pm

From what I gathered the plot of Fury Road is just Max helping Furiousa and some other slave women and leading them to safety from the evil guy, and they drive and fight around in the desert mainly.

So maybe that's all Adit felt he got from it? Laughing
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Post by Freeza Wed May 27, 2015 10:54 pm

El Gunner wrote:From what I gathered the plot of Fury Road is just Max helping Furiousa and some other slave women and leading them to safety from the evil guy, and they drive and fight around in the desert mainly.

So maybe that's all Adit felt he got from it? Laughing


Plot =/= story

And if that's how you look at a film I feel sorry for you. All films can be said to be like that unless it only relies on plotheavy storytelling like Gone Girl does.
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Post by LeVersacci Wed May 27, 2015 10:56 pm

El Gunner wrote:From what I gathered the plot of Fury Road is just Max helping Furiousa and some other slave women and leading them to safety from the evil guy, and they drive and fight around in the desert mainly.

So maybe that's all Adit felt he got from it? Laughing
Me n my mates were talking about the movie for a few hours at a bar. Felt it was insane but at the same time forgettable. Didn't regret watching the movie though.


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Post by LeVersacci Wed May 27, 2015 10:57 pm

Don't call me James wrote:
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Don't call me James wrote:Rewatched Inception. My 4th time Proud Masterpiece.


I liked it but it's nowhere near as good as Shutter Island IMO.


Loved Shutter Island.

In fact, going to be re-watching that as well this weekend. I'm on a bit of a DiCaprio marathon. Do this every year. Laughing

But I can't say I agree that it's better than Inception. Inception is one of my favorite films of all time. It's extraordinary.
ffs need to watch this and inception very soon Proud

Holiday soon Proud
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Post by RedOranje Wed May 27, 2015 11:04 pm

A simple plot does not equate to lacking a story. To be fair, you're far from the first or most prominent person to imply or suggest as much; I've seen fairly major reviewers follow that same line. However, a well executed but simple plot can still provide a compelling and engaging story, particularly if it contains strong unique characters who develop and evolve throughout the film. Fury Road pulled this off magnificently and certainly was not lacking a story.
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Post by El Gunner Wed May 27, 2015 11:23 pm

Freeza wrote:
El Gunner wrote:From what I gathered the plot of Fury Road is just Max helping Furiousa and some other slave women and leading them to safety from the evil guy, and they drive and fight around in the desert mainly.

So maybe that's all Adit felt he got from it? Laughing


Plot =/= story

And if that's how you look at a film I feel sorry for you. All films can be said to be like that unless it only relies on plotheavy storytelling like Gone Girl does.

lol don't be so hasty to go on the attack, I haven't seen it yet.
I was just simply putting down the plot like I heard of it, and I didn't say plot = story. I know the difference between a plot and a story.

edit: think you misinterpreted my post
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Post by McAgger Wed May 27, 2015 11:26 pm

In the most simplest terms, plot is what happens, story is what it (the film) is about.
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Post by El Gunner Wed May 27, 2015 11:30 pm

Yeah, the plot is basically the outline of how the story progresses.
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Post by Freeza Wed May 27, 2015 11:35 pm

David Bordwell is probably the most regarded in film theory on this subject.

Plot = Explicitly presented events.
Story = Presumed and inferred events.

@ElGunner. Was more directed at Adit, but I commented on your post because it gave a good option to comment rather than his did. I know you haven't watched it yet, and I'm disappointed Sad
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Post by El Gunner Wed May 27, 2015 11:37 pm

Next week brah Smile
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Post by RealGunner Wed May 27, 2015 11:43 pm

RedOranje wrote:A simple plot does not equate to lacking a story. To be fair, you're far from the first or most prominent person to imply or suggest as much; I've seen fairly major reviewers follow that same line. However, a well executed but simple plot can still provide a compelling and engaging story, particularly if it contains strong unique characters who develop and evolve throughout the film. Fury Road pulled this off magnificently and certainly was not lacking a story.


Your review?
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Post by RedOranje Wed May 27, 2015 11:59 pm

Wow.
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RedOranje wrote:A simple plot does not equate to lacking a story. To be fair, you're far from the first or most prominent person to imply or suggest as much; I've seen fairly major reviewers follow that same line. However, a well executed but simple plot can still provide a compelling and engaging story, particularly if it contains strong unique characters who develop and evolve throughout the film. Fury Road pulled this off magnificently and certainly was not lacking a story.


Your review?

Short version: "Wow"

Long(er) version: Fantastically crafted and well acted tour de force of practical effects and spectacle as a story-telling device. Not necessarily, in my opinion, the "greatest action film of the decade" or "one of the greatest action films of all time" as some have proclaimed, but a thoroughly enjoyable and extraordinarily well-made film nonetheless. Further, I personally felt there was more depth to it than some give it credit for and, ironically, some surprising opponents of it actually highlight some of the great (and overlooked) aspects of the films characters and themes.

That said, the scenes directly dealing with Max's breakdown/psychoses felt a bit out of place and there were a couple of surprising and disappointing moments where they clearly pandered to 3D. That the latter events were so rare so as to be surprising in the type of film that has recently had just about one such event every 15 minutes is a positive though.
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Post by RealGunner Thu May 28, 2015 12:51 am

Yep, had the same 'wow' feeling while walking out. Still can't believe how amazing the stunts were. Agreed about the depth. At no point it felt hollow or weak.

I'd still insist that this was one of the best directed film in a long long time.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu May 28, 2015 1:19 am

I just can't believe it was made at all. Not even Spielberg gets a 150m budget with complete creative freedom, and when we consider that Max was not even the protagonist, or main decision maker, and that George Miller had only made 3 children's movies in the past 20 years, it just seems like an incredibly rare thing. Oh, and it was successful too, which also seemed unlikely.
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Post by RealGunner Thu May 28, 2015 1:22 am

Apparently George Miller has been developing the idea since 1998. And he originally wanted heath ledger to play mad max.

Hope this film makes enough for a sequel.
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Post by M99 Thu May 28, 2015 7:55 am

Miller already has a script ready for the sequel. Mad Max: The Wasteland
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Post by RealGunner Thu May 28, 2015 4:40 pm

Yea, but he won't get the go ahead unless fury road makes a good enough profit.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri May 29, 2015 12:15 am

Unbelievable how much of the movie was not CGI

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Post by RealGunner Fri May 29, 2015 12:27 am

One of those 6/10 films
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