Re: Copa América 2015

by guest_07 Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:24 pm

can messi repeat what riquelme have done to claudio bravo & his gang in almost single handedly manner despite did not played any official match for several months?

riquelme vs chile, 2010 wc qualifying:

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:29 pm

Can Messi do what Riquelme did and choke in the final?

Perhaps.

by guest_07 Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:31 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Can Messi do what Riquelme did and choke in the final?

Perhaps.

messi still don't have any of his argentina campaign in any tournament as convincing as riquelme

by Myesyats Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:41 pm

Conclusion? Messi < Riquelme

by Based Bonera Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:41 pm

guest_07 wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Can Messi do what Riquelme did and choke in the final?

Perhaps.

messi still don't have any of his argentina campaign in any tournament as convincing as riquelme

Agreed. Riquelmeh is better, IMO.

by neuro11 Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:05 am

Rebaño Sagrado wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI78qT7VAAAM80R.jpg

Ref for Chile-Argentina's supposed fb

Messi dictating again cheers

by Killer Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:37 pm

Gil wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:'poor finishing'

pls go

? He's only scored just a single pen in 5 games. It's his dribbling & creativity he's being praised for.

Hazard goes past 3 defenders & sets up some scrub that blazes over BUT BUT BUT Robben wouldn't pass & would score himself. Hypocrites.

Pastore, Aguero, Di Maria, Mascherano, Banega, Zabaleta, Rojo, Otamendi, Garay....Tevez, Lavezzi, Higuain on the bench....the likes of Dybala, Vietto & Icardi can't even get into the squad. STACKED ffs.

simply Messi although not score, still creates dangers, the dribbles of Hazard often ends in themselves. Hazard is not even close to dribbling ability of Messi, Hazard rarely is really dangerous with his dribbling, his dribbling is monothematic, based almost solely on speed

by Killer Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:04 pm

Cruijf wrote:@Dnmac and Buster:

Disagree. Yes, South American football would be much better if it was able to keep its homegrown stars, but I still maintain its lagging behind in terms of producing the technically gifted players it used to. Brazil and Argentina used to produce midfield maestros, now other than Messi and Neymar all they can field are workhorses like Mascherano and David Luiz. Why? Because the ability to kick and be kicked is valued over technique, a complete reversal of the historical attitude. While Europe has produced Iniesta, Xavi, Pirlo, Busquets, Kroos, Ozil, and all the rest, South America has produced very very little, especially compared to what they used to produce.

In my post above I praise Pastore, but ask yourself what it means that he's been the best creative midfielder in the tournament. Socrates would be rolling in his grave.

Ozil suck, one of most overrated players in the world, James Rodriguez *bleep* ozil any day..
Iniesta= one of most overrated players ever. He could only play in Barca.
Tony kroos= a player very ordinary, precise, good and everything you want, but it is not a player that changes the game. Just a bit better than Thiago Motta.
Sergio busquets= i don't see any difference between him and Thiago motta. Motta at least knows how to do long passes and to shot. busquets another system player like pedro and the same Iniesta that look much better than they are, due to Messi.
Socrate? He has never adapted to europe because of its slowness.. Considered a flop in serie A that time...

by jibers Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:47 pm

guest_07 wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Can Messi do what Riquelme did and choke in the final?

Perhaps.

messi still don't have any of his argentina campaign in any tournament as convincing as riquelme

Yet he has been instrumental in Argentina reaching their first WC final since 1990 and Argentina are on the cusp of winning a Copa America...

I agree though Riquelme's through balls and 1st touch make him a superior player (:

by Myesyats Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:04 pm

Killer wrote:
Cruijf wrote:@Dnmac and Buster:

Disagree. Yes, South American football would be much better if it was able to keep its homegrown stars, but I still maintain its lagging behind in terms of producing the technically gifted players it used to. Brazil and Argentina used to produce midfield maestros, now other than Messi and Neymar all they can field are workhorses like Mascherano and David Luiz. Why? Because the ability to kick and be kicked is valued over technique, a complete reversal of the historical attitude. While Europe has produced Iniesta, Xavi, Pirlo, Busquets, Kroos, Ozil, and all the rest, South America has produced very very little, especially compared to what they used to produce.

In my post above I praise Pastore, but ask yourself what it means that he's been the best creative midfielder in the tournament. Socrates would be rolling in his grave.

Ozil suck, one of most overrated players in the world, James Rodriguez *bleep* ozil any day..
Iniesta= one of most overrated players ever. He could only play in Barca.
Tony kroos= a player very ordinary, precise, good and everything you want, but it is not a player that changes the game. Just a bit better than Thiago Motta.
Sergio busquets= i don't see any difference between him and Thiago motta. Motta at least knows how to do long passes and to shot. busquets another system player like pedro and the same Iniesta that look much better than they are, due to Messi.
Socrate? He has never adapted to europe because of its slowness.. Considered a flop in serie A that time...

What load of crap Laughing

I regret stepping into this thread & having to read this. (:

by titosantill Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:00 pm

damn very blunt, and that bluntness could be lost in translation but i kinda agree with killer's assessment, with respect to ozil, kroos, system players and even socrates (okay i'm not to sure on this, i never saw him play in the brazilian league, i know he didn't do well in italy, but, that could have been due to many factors)

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:09 pm

Iniesta could only play in Barca is plain wrong though.

He's arguably even better for Spain in a completely different role.

Anyone is entitled to their opinion with those other things but the Iniesta part is just plain wrong at least give a worthwhile reason why you think he's overrated.

by Cruijf Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:06 pm

Saying you're entitled to your opinion on the other things is a bit generous Laughing

Busquets is no better than Thiago Motta? Sorry but that's just not true, to put it mildly.

by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:16 pm

Killer wrote:
Ozil suck, one of most overrated players in the world, James Rodriguez *bleep* ozil any day..
Iniesta= one of most overrated players ever. He could only play in Barca.
Tony kroos= a player very ordinary, precise, good and everything you want, but it is not a player that changes the game. Just a bit better than Thiago Motta.
Sergio busquets= i don't see any difference between him and Thiago motta. Motta at least knows how to do long passes and to shot. busquets another system player like pedro and the same Iniesta that look much better than they are, due to Messi.
Socrate? He has never adapted to europe because of its slowness.. Considered a flop in serie A that time...

This is how I picture Killer in my head

by farfan Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:31 pm

Cruijf wrote:Saying you're entitled to your opinion on the other things is a bit generous

Busquets is no better than Thiago Motta? Sorry but that's just not true, to put it mildly.

they're different players .

no way Biscuit can delvier those defense splitting through balls and long passes like Motta does .

by M99 Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:30 pm

Rooting for Peru to take 3rd place. They deserve it.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:33 pm

Cruijf wrote:Saying you're entitled to your opinion on the other things is a bit generous

Busquets is no better than Thiago Motta? Sorry but that's just not true, to put it mildly.

Yeah but i can't be bothered to argue it.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:35 pm

farfan wrote:
Cruijf wrote:Saying you're entitled to your opinion on the other things is a bit generous

Busquets is no better than Thiago Motta? Sorry but that's just not true, to put it mildly.

they're different players .

no way Biscuit can delvier those defense splitting through balls and long passes like Motta does .

Except he can, he's done it many times i'm sure if you ask a Barca fan on here they can provide evidence seeing as i can't be bothered. Laughing

His role in the team and the quality around him just means he doesn't have to.

by Doc Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:38 pm

My .54% Paraguayan ancestry is very disturbed by your assessment M99 Sad

by farfan Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:08 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
farfan wrote:
Cruijf wrote:Saying you're entitled to your opinion on the other things is a bit generous

Busquets is no better than Thiago Motta? Sorry but that's just not true, to put it mildly.

they're different players .

no way Biscuit can delvier those defense splitting through balls and long passes like Motta does .

Except he can, he's done it many times i'm sure if you ask a Barca fan on here they can provide evidence seeing as i can't be bothered.

His role in the team and the quality around him just means he doesn't have to.

i didn't say that he was incapable of doing any of that , he's just not on Motta's level .
Motta has legit deep lying playmaker abilities that saved PSG's ass countless times when they were out of ideas .

that's basically al he does these days .

by Donuts Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:10 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
farfan wrote:
Cruijf wrote:Saying you're entitled to your opinion on the other things is a bit generous

Busquets is no better than Thiago Motta? Sorry but that's just not true, to put it mildly.

they're different players .

no way Biscuit can delvier those defense splitting through balls and long passes like Motta does .

Except he can, he's done it many times i'm sure if you ask a Barca fan on here they can provide evidence seeing as i can't be bothered.

His role in the team and the quality around him just means he doesn't have to.

he's done them plenty of time

but his primary job in barcelona is to intercept and stop the counter attack, control the tempo and see his options. it'd be dumb for him to always try and do throughballs when he has options like messi, xavi, iniesta and rakitic

but just because he doesn't do them as often as those mentioned doesn't me he doesn't know how to or is somehow bad at it lmao

by farfan Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:18 am

no one is saying he's bad or that he's unable to deliver the occasional golden pass :facepalm:

he's just not as good at it as a bona fide regista like Motta .

by Donuts Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:39 am

why because he doesn't pass as well?
that's kinda silly logic when comparing a DM with another.
sergio has more to his game than motta.

by farfan Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:48 am

Donuts wrote:why because he doesn't pass as well?
that's kinda silly logic when comparing a DM with another.
sergio has more to his game than motta.

do you even read what i'm posting ?
i said Motta is a better deep playmaker than Busquets , which doesn't mean that Motta is the better over all DM , or that Busquets doesn't have respectable passing abilities of his own .

by jibers Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:54 am

System players is just a BS term. Every player is a system player...

Busquets long passing isn't anything to shout about. This season especially everytime he tried to switch the ball to the flanks he overhit it or it was too short. His ground passing is good though.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:57 am

jibers wrote:System players is just a BS term. Every player is a system player...

Busquets long passing isn't anything to shout about. This season especially everytime he tried to switch the ball to the flanks he overhit it or it was too short. His ground passing is good though.

Agreed, on both points.

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