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Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:49 pm

Wow so Higuain should be blamed for a game in which Napoli were obviously robbed Laughing

And you chose to ignore that it was Higuain's goals who put Napoli in the semi in the first place.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by farfan on Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:53 pm

@urbaNRoots wrote:Wow so Higuain should be blamed for a game in which Napoli were obviously robbed Laughing

And you chose to ignore that it was Higuain's goals who put Napoli in the semi in the first place.


Robbed or not , he still managed to squeeze in his usual 2 or 3 glaring misses in these type of matches . Laughing



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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Lord Spencer on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:11 pm

Higuain is obviously a very good striker.

However, he goes missing at the most important games too often to be rubbing shoulders with the elites. Meaning that he is not a top 5 striker in the world right now (my own definition of elite).

Obviously is going to be an asset to any team.

P.S: Napoli played the CL without Higuain before.
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:12 pm

@farfan wrote:
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Whatever floats your boat.


do i need to explain that the pressure of a CL KO match , a decisive play off , a world cup final etc... is much higher and challenging that some  game against juventus in match day 18 ?


You're too harsh in him, Benzema is criticized for not having scored many KO, World Cup goals (and even those goals are against mediocre oppositio) and yet you defend him all the same. I don't blame you, every goal in a big competition is important but you decide to cherrypick the ones you like better for other players.

And all the other strikers who don't have a great record in Europe/World Cup and are considered elite by everyone. I remember Tevez having such a reputation which he squashed late in his career.

Edit: Before I get warned, I'm not trying to create a Benzema vs Higuain thread, it is more a discussion of bias than a comparison.
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:17 pm

To me an elite striker is a top 5 CF and he's not that so.....

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Robespierre on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:24 pm

What exactly do we mean with elite striker ?

He is the best N° 9 of Serie A, so his level is definitely good . But he is far from being top 5 striker in the world
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by The Demon of Carthage on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:33 pm

I really wouldn't have guessed that RG is the creator of this thread.

I respect your opinion but to me Higuain is one of the worst strikers I have seen in recent years. And this is not coming from someone who just watched a couple games of Higuain and then jumped to conclusion. No. This is coming from someone who used to watch him week in and week out.

He's second tier at best, and I'm being very generous here.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:37 pm

@The Demon of Carthage wrote:I really wouldn't have guessed that RG is the creator of this thread.

I respect your opinion but to me Higuain is one of the worst strikers I have seen in recent years. And this is not coming from someone who just watched a couple games of Higuain and then jumped to conclusion. No. This is coming from someone who used to watch him week in and week out.

He's second tier at best, and I'm being very generous here.


So you used to watch him play for Real Madrid and saw one of the worst strikers in recent years. Cool story bro.
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by zenmaster on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:42 pm

Good yes, Elite ... well he has to show the Impact at HIGH / Important matches / level. We all have seen him doing good thing as well as chocking. Hope he continues the run and make us eat our words.




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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by halamadrid2 on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:59 pm

ElPipa is awesome. it used to be so easy to score in LaLiga with him which most people liked to brush off as "only laliga"
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by DeviAngel on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:05 pm

@urbaNRoots wrote:Wow so Higuain should be blamed for a game in which Napoli were obviously robbed Laughing

And you chose to ignore that it was Higuain's goals who put Napoli in the semi in the first place.

What about the WC Final when he missed an open goal?

I agree with what McLewis said.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by ES on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:06 pm

@McLewis wrote:Tend to agree with Devi. He looked excellent against Juve's B team honestly, but was cack when they were at their best in past seasons. He's stat padded against us too in the past due to our defense being shite as well.

What makes an elite level striker is that they always find a way to get the ball in the back of net, no matter what it takes. I'm not sure Higuain is at that level.....yet.


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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:11 pm

Mclewis you say he isn't yet.... i'm not being funny but if he isn't yet i doubt he ever will be.

He is who he is at this point IMO.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by ES on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:16 pm

He can always turn it around tbf, remember Robben choked hard in 2012 when the team depended on him, but came back strong in 2013, same thing with Tevez when he had a dry run in the CL and came back with Juve. I'm not saying that Higgy is going to launch Napoli to the lofty heights of CL but that you shouldn't factor age as a deterrent to Higgy atm

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:21 pm

Robben was always an elite talent though so not really a fair comparison.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by ES on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:25 pm

True but i still think Higgy has a lot left in his tank, he's 27 and has hunger, nobody wants to be remembered as a top 5 choker

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:32 pm

@DeviAngel wrote:
@urbaNRoots wrote:Wow so Higuain should be blamed for a game in which Napoli were obviously robbed Laughing

And you chose to ignore that it was Higuain's goals who put Napoli in the semi in the first place.

What about the WC Final when he missed an open goal?

I agree with what McLewis said.


It was not an open goal, it was not even half a chance, very hard to pull off. And besides that I am defending his club career not NT. Tevez, Aguero, Messi all struggled in the World Cup, not just him.
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:40 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Mclewis you say he isn't yet.... i'm not being funny but if he isn't yet i doubt he ever will be.

He is who he is at this point IMO.


Tevez was once accused of not being decisive in big competitions by GL which he crapped on in 2014/15. Never say never. Needs to leave that shithole that is Napoli though.
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by farfan on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:40 pm

that wasn't half a chance wtf Laughing
that was a clear cut one on one that he should've buried with ease.
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Post by futbol_bill on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:43 pm

Pepito is a good striker. Not elite, never has been and never will be. Compare him to the likes of Ibra, Lewa, Aguero, Suarez (without the biting, LOL), Benzema, Van Persie (prior to last season) or in the past to Raul, Van Gol, Ronaldo (original) etc. There is simply no comparison. Good yes, but not elite.

He does get an unfair amount of criticism from Madridistas, but if one really takes a true objective look at this, he is a good striker.
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:44 pm

@farfan wrote:that wasn't half a chance wtf Laughing
that was a clear cut one on one that he should've buried with ease.


FFS, I forgot about the one on one, I meant another completely. Yeah that was his worst miss by far.
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by DeviAngel on Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:35 pm

@urbaNRoots wrote:
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@urbaNRoots wrote:Wow so Higuain should be blamed for a game in which Napoli were obviously robbed Laughing

And you chose to ignore that it was Higuain's goals who put Napoli in the semi in the first place.

What about the WC Final when he missed an open goal?

I agree with what McLewis said.


It was not an open goal, it was not even half a chance, very hard to pull off. And besides that I am defending his club career not NT. Tevez, Aguero, Messi all struggled in the World Cup, not just him.


Hmm Tevez wasn't called up.



If this is half a chance than I don't know what a 'full' chance looks like. Any world class striker would score this. Matri scored goals like this on regular basis ffs Proud

EDIT : I just saw you meant about another chance Laughing so that makes them 2 in one game, with one 100% chance


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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by DeviAngel on Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:37 pm

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Post by vanDEEZ on Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:52 pm

I'm with Bill- good yes, elite, no.

He had all the potential to get there as the young bright forward he once was but his career has been ruined by injuries. This particular injury is not going to get better for him so I don't see him ever breaking into the elite status unfortunately.
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Post by M99 on Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:47 pm

@McLewis wrote:Tend to agree with Devi. He looked excellent against Juve's B team honestly, but was cack when they were at their best in past seasons. He's stat padded against us too in the past due to our defense being shite as well.

What makes an elite level striker is that they always find a way to get the ball in the back of net, no matter what it takes. I'm not sure Higuain is at that level.....yet.

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My opinion is the same. An elite striker would not have done what Higuain did on last season's match against Lazio. Or the World Cup final. Or the Copa final. He is a good striker obviously but elite? If he buried those chances that even many non-elite strikers would have then he would be one.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Red Alert on Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:15 am

Calling Higgy elite is an epitome of the lack of quality in strikers. Higgy. Elite. I mean ffs. rofl

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