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Post by Sushi Master on Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:11 am

breva wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
breva wrote:Suarez is not really a center forward:



So in your opinion, and in strange (Scottish?) accent guy's opinion, a center forward is a player who statically plays in the area? Like a poacher? Target man? Big ol' 9?

Having off the ball movement, knowing how to dribble and pass somehow eliminates you from the center forward club? And this is like, a single play analysis under a single game. Laughing

Bro, you're gonna have to brainwash me because I've probably done more analysis on Suarez myself than what is stated in that video.


While I respect your opinion, I think a professional's (BBC football analyst and former professional player) opinion carries more weight than yours. That it coincides with mine, is just a happy coincidence.
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Well, as I said, "center forward" can be used to describe various roles. I'm guessing your opinion and BBC guys' opinion are on the limited role I described in my post. Fair enough, although I don't know how old you are, but just because he works for BBC does not mean it he automatically knows more than, say, some of the guys on this forum, who are extremely football knowledgeable. But let's agree to disagree.

As for my definition of a center forward, it's quite literal and is more positional than specific role-based, in my opinion: an usually centrally positioned player who's runs are forward/attacking based. So, a lot of players are center forwards, but this does not mean they cannot play somewhere else (say, Sturridge).

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Sushi Master on Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:15 am

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Yeah whilst nobody can deny up until this point Higuain has a bad rep in finals, at least he's actually in the finals.

There's no guarantee Lewandowski will light up any WC/Euro/CL finals especially with his erratic finishing.

Lewa is a consistently great league/cup/CHAMPION'S LEAGUE finisher.

NT wise, both are null. They have not won anything Laughing.

But considering Lewa at least gets to CL finals and consistently scores in the CL... I actually see it more favored to Lewa here.
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by breva on Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:22 am

The BBC does a careful screening of experts in all the areas they cover. I would suspect that BBC analysts in any area are screened the same way, including football. You can have your own definition of a center forward, but it is only your's. A classic center forward, is Gerd Mueller, Gigi Riva, Batistuta, Klose, Nordahl, Drogba etc. Not Suarez.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Tomwin Lannister on Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:23 am

And how many major finals has Lewandowski scored in to prove that he's not a big game choker?


We'll see what Higuain can do at a stacked Juve team now. But using a big final choker argument in favour of Lewa is redundant until he actually finds himself in one of those finals to prove otherwise.


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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by chad4401 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:55 am

I will never ever understand this obsession with higs being a top 3 cf, he is clearly not since he had his chances and failed hard af, more than any top cf out there, why his short comings are always not as bad as players who actually out performed him? Because he is passionate? What does that even mean?

Any other striker not name higs with his crappy cl record wouldn't even be mentioned much less discussed as a top cf, it like all the pre established rules always get bent for him.

he is a great cf just not top whatever let the myth die ffs.

I know for a fact if we switch higs Napoli career with benz right now, higs> for all the reasons that applied to Benz, would make him a lesser player, because these discussions are agenda driven and not actual debate like in the past.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Luca on Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:20 am

Tomwin Lannister wrote:And how many major finals has Lewandowski scored in to prove that he's not a big game choker?


We'll see what Higuain can do at a stacked Juve team now. But using a big final choker argument in favour of Lewa is redundant until he actually finds himself in one of those finals to prove otherwise.



Lewandowski with Dortmund against Real Madrid in one tie, has done more than Higuain has in the Champions League

With that being said, it doesn't matter what his record was in the slightest if he gets it done this year for example, or if Juventus does well.

I mean, he can score a bunch of goals and Juventus can fail to win the competition or even make it to the semi finals -> doesn't matter

He can score a handful of definitive goals leading Juventus deep/to a trophy -> better than the first scenario and more significant

These goal scoring records are great and all, but they're really for the Ballon D'or and nothing but. In terms of a team's progression, it's the decisive goals that will win trophies, not stat padding.

I'd rate Lewa over Higuain for sure but Higuain, on form, is definitely a world class #9 and to deny this is living in your own convoluted opinionated blurred bubble.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by breva on Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:32 am

Higuain is just more talented than Lewandoski. He controls the ball better, he is faster and thinks faster. It doesn't matter what happens in a game with Argentina or Poland respectively.

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Post by juve_gigi on Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:58 am

breva wrote:Higuain is just more talented than Lewandoski.  He controls the ball better, he is faster and thinks faster.  It doesn't matter what happens in a game with Argentina or Poland respectively.

I would agree with that assessment 100%. Neither has won a major trophy or scored a decisive goal to win a major trophy, so they are both even in that regard.

Let's see what both do this year on two very stacked teams. I think this year will be decisive for both players and both will have an opportunity to write their history, good or bad.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Tomwin Lannister on Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:59 pm

No idea why Benz is being brought up here, this here is a thread about Higuain and elite strikers in general.

Now Benzemas sex tape distributing skills are arguably second to none, and his midfield tomfoolery is a cut above the rest. But that is where it ends.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:03 pm

breva wrote:Higuain is far more talented than Lewandoski. There is no comparison.


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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Myesyats on Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:27 pm

breva wrote:Higuain is just more talented than Lewandoski. He controls the ball better, he is faster and thinks faster. It doesn't matter what happens in a game with Argentina or Poland respectively.

This post couldn't be more innacurate
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Warrior on Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:46 pm

breva wrote:
Don't call me James wrote:Pat Nevin and professional opinion in the same sentence Laughing


Pat Niven is far more knowledgeable about football than a random GL poster.  He actually played in the EPL, has any GL poster played in the EPL?  He is a professional.



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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Lucifer on Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:13 pm

@Heff
prove it. if u were asked to chose between a tight blonde and Cake, what would you prefer?
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Warrior on Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:16 pm

i'd take a birthday cake over Nasri any day of the year mate
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by breva on Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:26 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
breva wrote:Higuain is far more talented than Lewandoski. There is no comparison.


BS


Crap.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by halamadrid2 on Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:23 pm

Carlo Ancelotti: Higuain is the best striker in the world alongside Suarez and Lewandowski. I did not want him to leave when I was with Real Madrid but there was nothing I could do about it.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by futbol_bill on Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:47 pm

How long before Chad reacts to this? Very Happy
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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Harmonica on Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:49 pm

Way to stick it to Fakenaldo. :bow:

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:32 pm

Benzema sacrificed his career for Ronaldo, it is a shame because instead of doing what Suarez did, which is pushing Messi and extending the way Messi can be relevant, he turned into some introverted scrub. Suarez is playing with Messi scoring 50 goals, Benzema is playing with CR and could barely achieve that.

It's pretty damning for Ancelotti to say that, a pretty violent slap in the face

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Don't call me James on Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:35 pm

Chad is on suicide watch atm.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by chad4401 on Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:14 pm

Yawn nice try group think carlo always plays nice so whatever he is saying is irrelevant.

Secondly higuain is choker and no amount of praise can erase all that choking.

You guys been on suicide watch since benz is now a 2 time cl winner.

Keep pretending the benz hate has nothing to do with chokeguain.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by chad4401 on Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:19 pm

Lmao so quick to rewrite history every time chokeguain ain't missing them clear cut 1v1 in every big game ever rofl


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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by CBarca on Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:23 pm

LMAO

Ancelotti :bow:

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:24 pm

It's rather shots fired towards Uncle Flo than towards Benzema

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by chad4401 on Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:32 pm

Hans no need for logic in a higuain circle jerk, benz hating and "chad" taunting.

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Re: It's time we accept Higuain is an elite striker

Post by urbaNRoots on Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:40 pm

chad4401 wrote:Hans no need for logic in a higuain circle jerk, benz hating and "chad" taunting.


Isn't that hypocritical coming from you, who still leads the "Higuain is a choker" circle jerk-- nearly 4 years after Higuain left Real Madrid?

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