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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by lucianomoggi on Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:14 pm

You guys are too much funny
You open a thread can RONALDO do CENTER FORWARD, CF

If this discussion was about a player who just started career such as DEPAY it would have been reasonable , but you guys talking about C RONALDO look how funny you are

Most of the goals that RONALDO scores are from inside the box he doesnt always do long-range goals

And you are discussing can he play inside the box, can he do center forward, seriously?

If someone would ask can NEYMAR do CF that would have been more reasonable because of age and physical skills
But you guys are talking about RONALDO, a beast
He has all the strength that he needs to win duels from defenders like PEPE , RAMOS any time that he wants to

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Lucifer on Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:22 pm

@lucianomoggi wrote:You guys are too much funny
You open a thread can RONALDO do CENTER FORWARD, CF

If this discussion was about a player who just started career such as DEPAY it would have been reasonable , but you guys talking about C RONALDO look how funny you are

Most of the goals that RONALDO scores are from inside the box he doesnt always do long-range goals

And you are discussing can he play inside the box, can he do center forward, seriously?

If someone would ask can NEYMAR do CF that would have been more reasonable because of age and physical skills
But you guys are talking about RONALDO, a beast
He has all the strength that he needs to win duels from defenders like PEPE , RAMOS any time that he wants to
scratch

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Myesyats on Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:32 pm

Ronaldo is not a typical CF and he has proven it time and time again recently. He's better as a winger that makes runs into the box but he struggles as the highest man up front.

And no, he can't do Di Maria, Ozil or Lewandowski when he wants to... wtf

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Clutch on Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:25 pm

I mean if Ronaldo started training and truly wanted to be a complete striker he'd be pretty good, but he's a lot better on the wing regardless. I do not agree with the ozil thing at all. Ronaldo wouldnt be a good playmaker, his persona wont allow it.

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Nivash on Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:04 pm

@lucianomoggi wrote:Yes he is

This is how i identify the advanced players
1. There are players who try to serve the ball
2. There are players who receive the ball and FINISH

Benzema and Ronaldo are more like Finishers

But C RONALDO HAS lots of qualities
He can do a DI MARIA role if he wants to
He can do a LEWANDOWSKI role if he wants to
He can do a OZIL role if he wants to

It is because this player is completed , so he can play however he wants

The only thing i may he unsure about C RONALDO is how good is when it comes to through-pass but lately i have seen him improved on that too

LEWANDOWSKI maybe has more physical strength
But C RONALDO has nore psychological STRENGTH, he is more of a warrior, he wins duels better so a result he score more goals inside the box




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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Mr Nick09 on Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:06 pm

i did not even see this

"he wins duels"

rofl

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Donuts on Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:39 am

i can play the ozil/di maria/lewa role also..
just not very good Sad

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by lucianomoggi on Sat Nov 07, 2015 1:28 am

@Nivash wrote:
@lucianomoggi wrote:Yes he is

This is how i identify the advanced players
1. There are players who try to serve the ball
2. There are players who receive the ball and FINISH

Benzema and Ronaldo are more like Finishers

But C RONALDO HAS lots of qualities
He can do a DI MARIA role if he wants to
He can do a LEWANDOWSKI role if he wants to
He can do a OZIL role if he wants to

It is because this player is completed , so he can play however he wants

The only thing i may he unsure about C RONALDO is how good is when it comes to through-pass but lately i have seen him improved on that too

LEWANDOWSKI maybe has more physical strength
But C RONALDO has nore psychological STRENGTH, he is more of a warrior, he wins duels better so a result he score more goals inside the box




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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by lucianomoggi on Sat Nov 07, 2015 1:35 am

@Mr Nick09 wrote:"he can do the ozil role if he wants to"

Laughing

there is no point arguing with you. cheers mate


Well I never said that i came here to convince me
Is that what you do for living ? Convincing people that they should believe whatsoever you believe? Ghosts, vampires, whatsoever?

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Nov 07, 2015 1:44 am

i never talked about "convincing" you, i used the verb "to argue"


v. ar·gued, ar·gu·ing, ar·gues
v.tr.
1. To put forth reasons for or against; debate:
2. To attempt to prove by reasoning; maintain or contend:
3. To give evidence of; indicate:
4. To persuade or influence (another), as by presenting reasons:

can you spot the difference? move along now lol

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by titosantill on Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:28 am

cristiano is NOT a playmaker, he can't play the ozil role (btw that does NOT mean ozil's a better footballer than he is,  cos i know on this forum one thing can get overblown in an instance). even at united, in his first three years, when they weren't winning and he was supposed to be a regular winger (not a goalscoring wing forward), he had problems from a creative standpoint.

don't get me wrong, he still had assists (inb4 someone starts posting clips of his assists between 03/04-05/06), but him and ruud had problems cos ruud felt as a winger, this guy's supposed to help provide chances for me in the area but he's doing his own thing instead...its also partly why ferguson would frequently play him in a central role when ruud left and moved rooney to play out wide on the left...in my opinion he's never been a play maker. he'll get assists here and there, but assists doesn't necessarily make u a play maker as there are different types of assists. and once again, cos he's not a playmaker doesn't mean he's garbage or that ozil's better than him, it just is what it is

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Lucifer on Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:22 am

@Mr Nick09 wrote:i did not even see this

"he wins duels"

rofl

He does win duels but they are with his own team mates for scoring tap ins Razz

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Clutch on Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:57 am

I dont find a problem with "tap ins". 90% of attackers who score goals are going to be very generic, in the box, tap ins, etc. Scoring tap ins are worth as much of a goal from 30 yards out, so I dont see the problem. Ronaldos instincts on goal is one of the best I've ever seen and thats a skill. Rather have tap ins than no goals at all

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by lucianomoggi on Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:09 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:i never talked about "convincing" you, i used the verb "to argue"


v. ar·gued, ar·gu·ing, ar·gues
v.tr.
1. To put forth reasons for or against; debate:
2. To attempt to prove by reasoning; maintain or contend:
3. To give evidence of; indicate:
4. To persuade or influence (another), as by presenting reasons:

can you spot the difference? move along now lol


And What kind of reasoning you bringing?
Whst kind of evidence you bringing?
You never done that
Did you bring something like statistics or a video that prove he cant? No
You have simply said no he cant,

Here is what i got check this link

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/5583/Show/Cristiano-Ronaldo

At least this is more reasonable by explaining what rhese guys believe c ronaldo strengths and weakness are
But they never mentioned that he cannot do di maria : dribbling, crossing

They have never mentioned he cannot do lewandowsii: which are finishing, header attempts

You know why? Because that would be stupid to say
Because we talking about c ronaldo here






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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:12 pm

you are done now? go back in your section lol

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Lucifer on Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:17 pm

No please I want his opinion on who is best box to box LB.

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by lucianomoggi on Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:29 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:you are done now? go back in your section lol


seriously ? is this how you disagree with people?
now just because you open the topic it makes you feel like this is your private property that you should be protecting as a guard dog, but guess what, it isn't , I stand here, you go away , how about that? Lol

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by The Demon of Carthage on Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:34 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:you are done now? go back in your section lol

Easy. His opinion may be a little hard to swallow but he has every right to stay and talk freely as long as he's respectful.

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by futbol_bill on Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:41 pm

Yeah, just what we need another fanboy!!!!!

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by futbol on Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:46 pm

@The Demon of Carthage wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:you are done now? go back in your section lol

Easy. His opinion may be a little hard to swallow but he has every right to stay and talk freely as long as he's respectful.


STFU and go back to your section.

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by The Demon of Carthage on Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:52 pm

Sure..oh wait

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Doc on Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:53 pm

In theory, Cristiano has everything you would want from a CF but in practice, it's like he just can't wrap his head around the idea of what a CF should do which once again, I don't fault him for. He never was a CF and spent his entire career playing as either a winger or a winger-cum-foward.

Am I making excuses? Yeah I think so but this is an actual fact as well. My beef is that for someone as talented as him, you would think he would be able to adjust at a speedier rate than most but what do I know.

I understand what Moggi is saying but the reality is that Ronaldo isn't actually effective as a CF. Can he be? Maybe but it remains to be seen.

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by futbol on Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:06 pm

He's way too selfish to be a great CF at the highest level. As a (good) CF it's essential to:

- physically wrestle with the CBs
- make "dummy runs" which might not necessarily benefit yourself but do open up space for your teammates
- provide some linkup play so your teammates can play off of you

Cristiano is too selfish to do any of that. His "CF" duties go as far as waiting in the middle to take shots and let others do the ground work. Might work against LOL Liga fodder, would never work in a CL semi-final.

And that's basically /thread.

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Adit on Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:08 pm

I agree with Moggi that CR is king of the box but thats where the agreement ends. He is as good as any player in history with in the box, he has it all, finishing, headers,anticipation,great runs,speed.As a CF but you are expected to fair out side the box where he fails,he isnt a CF at all.

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by Nivash on Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:18 am

His shots versus goals actually scored is absolutely pathetic, yet he's considered a great finisher?! Thumbs up

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Re: Cristiano as CF

Post by futbol_bill on Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:51 pm

I'm not supporting Ronaldo as a CF, (I have already given my opinion on that), but I believe if you examine the stats behind his missed shots, you will find that the vast majority are from outside the box. Say what you will about Ronaldo, but one thing he excels at is getting himself in position for that pass or cross. i expect the stats from within the box would indicate that he is in deed deadly inside the box.

If I go back to what I think Nick was after when he started this thread, Ronaldo is better than Benz on two crucial skills for a CF (and again I'm not suggesting there is anything wrong with Benz). That is making runs to be in a goal scoring position and in the box accuracy.

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