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Post by Robespierre Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:29 pm

Is Martin Skrtel the biggest Liverpool big games player last 4-5 years ? hmm hmm

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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:59 pm

Robespierre wrote:Is Martin Skrtel the biggest Liverpool big games player last 4-5 years ? hmm hmm


Can't judge that, it seems to me though while he's generally a great defender he makes pretty much one very bad and consequential mistake for every 85 minutes he plays well hmm
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Post by Art Morte Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:42 pm

El Gunner wrote:I think Mahrez is one of those players that if he goes to a bigger club he will find it hard to reach the same level as he does now, well he might show flashes every once in a while, but won't perform on a consistent basis has he does now.

That's an interesting phenomena btw. You'd think that moving to a better team with better players around you would pretty much always raise your level, too. But it does happen somewhat often that these players disappoint at the bigger club and don't even match their previous level.


Robespierre wrote:Is Martin Skrtel the biggest Liverpool big games player last 4-5 years ? hmm hmm

I don't know, I rate him very high myself, probably the highest on this forum, but I don't know would I recognize anyone in our squad as a true big game player.


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Robespierre wrote:Is Martin Skrtel the biggest Liverpool big games player last 4-5 years ? hmm hmm


Can't judge that, it seems to me though while he's generally a great defender he makes pretty much one very bad and consequential mistake for every 85 minutes he plays well hmm

Skrtel making a lot of mistakes is a myth, imo. It's nowhere near 'every 85 minutes'. Also a) he's been the one constantly playing CB in our team for I don't know how many years in a row now, so he's had more time to have good & bad moments to remember than any other of our defenders and b) he does a lot in defence, he's very active, makes a lot of tackles, interceptions, blocks. He takes a lot of responsibility and it's understandable he's not going to get all of it right, but he's success rate is top class. It's so ridiculous when I hear & see our fans claim he should be replaced - when he's been one of the top performers in the team for years now and even won the Player of the Season (how often a CB does that?) - that I don't even bother getting in those arguments any longer. He wouldn't look out of place in any team in the world.
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Post by Curtinho Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:22 pm

Coutinho is pretty clearly our best big game player IMO. He seems to always put in a good performance in big games (or at least against big teams).
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Post by Art Morte Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:27 pm

So, with Coquelin out for three months, is it going to be Arteta or Flamini stepping in, or a bit of both? And is Wilshere ever going to be fit btw? And how big a blow is Coq's injury to Arsenal? hmm

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Post by urbaNRoots Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:39 pm

Chambers will get games there I think instead of the awful Flamini/Arteta.

Either way, our season was done once Walcott got injured.
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Post by RealGunner Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:00 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:Chambers will get games there I think instead of the awful Flamini/Arteta.

Either way, our season was done once Wilshere got injured.


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Post by Art Morte Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:23 pm

Chambers? Has he had a single good game in an Arsenal shirt? Very Happy His performance against us is probably the worst I've seen from a defender this season.

And isn't Walcott's injury a short one? You've got more cover in his positions anyway, but if Flamini or Arteta become a starter for three months, that could go baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad for you.
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Post by RedOranje Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:26 pm

If memory serves, Chambers performed quite well early on for Arsenal, though that was at CB.
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Post by RealGunner Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:33 pm

Yea he's been on and off. Mostly due to being young and not having enough matches. Wish we could have sent him out on loan. But we have no one else as our 4th CB.



Hope we do try Chambers at DM rather than Arteta and Flamini. Arteta has brains but he is finished in terms of physique. Flamini lacks everything. We'd be better off with one of our U18 player over there than either two tbh

Thankfully Ramsey is back(rushed back tbf, so expecting him to be injured soon).
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Post by El Gunner Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:23 pm

Wenger will go absolute bants and pair Ramsey and Cazorla together in the midfield Laughing
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Post by B-Mac Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:56 pm

Robespierre wrote:Is Martin Skrtel the biggest Liverpool big games player last 4-5 years ? hmm hmm


you're talking about this lad?

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Post by Robespierre Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:00 pm

^ but anyway I don't like Skrtel , simply I noticed he scores often against big teams ( Arsenal, Chelsea, City etc ) and even decided the last trophy won by reds, the League Cup against Cardiff.
Then his role is another, this is the problem.
Basically the Slovakian Sergio Ramos hmm
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Post by RedOranje Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:38 pm

Crystal Palace's defense there. :facepalm:
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Post by RealGunner Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:40 pm

Match was dubbed as 'battle of the next england manager' Laughing


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Post by RealGunner Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:45 pm

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Post by Art Morte Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:58 pm

Allardyce :bow:
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:05 pm

Palace are 10th, why again is Pardew the GOAT according to this forum?
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Post by Art Morte Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:07 pm

Palace up to 10th ffs :bow:
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:08 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Palace are 10th, why again is Pardew the GOAT according to this forum?


Best British manager in the PL
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:09 pm

That's like saying a dog shit is better than a bird shit tbh.

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Post by CBarca Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:19 am

Sounds to me like you've been eating a lot of Welch's grape jelly mole hmm
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Post by CBarca Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:08 am

Oh by the way I made this claim in a different thread, but I'd like to bring it up for discussion here.

Has Dembele been one of the best CM's in the PL this season? The dude is absolutely unplayable right now. What he's been doing to teams has been unfair. Since he's been slotted back into the team he's arguably been Tottenham's best player.

He's always had so much potential but other than the first half of AVB's tenure (when him and Sandro were beasting it in Spurs longest unbeaten wrong, now tied), he's been inconsistent. Injuries have played a big part, and still are, but regardless he seems to be finally playing up to his potential.

Anybody that has been watching Spurs right now I think could confidently say that he has been one of the best CM's. Absolutely love watching him play right now.
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Post by Red Alert Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:01 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Palace are 10th, why again is Pardew the GOAT according to this forum?


Newcastle are 17th. Embarassed
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Post by Art Morte Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:30 am

Mod wrote:Has Dembele been one of the best CM's in the PL this season?

I was going to say "not one of the best, but he's been good", but then I got to thinking who have been better? Who really are the stand out CMs so far? I can only think of Fernandinho and Yaya, maybe Cabaye and Cazorla at a push. But there haven't been many stand out CMs at all, imo. So, I suppose you could say Dembele has been among the best, although the field is very even right now.

And he's always had the talent, but he's got that gift of managing to look lazy even when he's not. Must be that facial expression of his. Now that he's getting chances to play again, he's showing what he can do.
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Post by El Gunner Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:38 am

Drinkwater has been the best so far.
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