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Post by sportsczy Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:39 pm

In fact, CR won't play on the left anymore either Laughing He parks himself in the box and waits for the ball Laughing

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Post by VanDeezNuts Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:11 am

Idk if width is necessarily the problem. I still think the gap between our defense and attack is too large and our midfield either gets caught too far up or too far back. That is the biggest problem for me.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:26 am

I am not saying we have a problem with width. I just think that width is a concern for Benitez as a coach, and with any scheme that he will create, he will have in mind. He is a manager that believes in strong wingers, as his valencia and liverpool days have shown.

Now whether our team is split in half whenever we play is another issue enterely, but that's mostly personel and the primadonas we have in attack
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Post by sportsczy Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:19 pm

Not really Nick... it's bad alignment of the 3 lines schematically. Our lines have never played this far apart so there's no reason why it is suddenly happening other than Rafa setting it up this way.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:27 pm

The gap in midfield is just as wide as its ever been under mou, and under carlo. Nothing has changed because we have kept essentially the same guys over the past 5 years in attack, or at least the eame type of primadonnas.

Lets be real here our forwards are lazy fckers. Tgings get marginally better or worse depending on who we are up against, what we are playing for or what not.

Its no surprise even benitez ditched his 4231 for a 433. He saw it, you can't force those guys to run back, they dont listen they don't care. He figured just like carlo its best to have a strong 3 mids to defend rather than 2.

The only think is that his understanding of the 433 and carlo's are completely different. And obviously one is better at working with creative elements than the other but even that we knew
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Post by sportsczy Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:05 am

I disagree. The line gaps are larger. We played a higher defensive line with Mou and that pushed the CMs up. Under Carlo, we either set up the block high or low depending on the opponent (whether we wanted to control possession or play the counter game).

Under Rafa, we play a low defensive line and a high strike line.... and an ocean for the CMs to cover. It's nonsensical. Where we don't have the talent advantage, it gets exposed.
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Post by StrugaRock Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:01 pm

Nah man, you've got it all wrong, under Benitez we play an advanced way of football, we play "free role", the catch? Everyone gets to play in his favorite position, with no tactical awareness, no defensive duties, so everyone to be happy
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Post by Adit Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:00 pm

Agreed with sportzy. Our line seems even farther under Benitez. While Nick also has a point, our forwards were always been the same. They do press occasionally forward but running back to pick the player or aligning themselves with the midfield to make it difficult for opposition were never there. This is why it is important to offload CR, it will send a message to the other players.
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Post by The Franchise Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:09 pm

If I can opine on the subject?

I think at least in the Barca game, the midfield line had was too much space to cover and they were confused which line to even be closer to because staying in the middle was no mans land.

But those front 3 in that game did nothing and gave nothing. NOTHING.

Pressed for 10 minutes then seemed to decide that they dont want to get too fatigued or they cant do what they want with the ball.

James was in no mans land, caught in between pressing or supporting the midfield more.
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Post by sportsczy Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:40 pm

It looked like a 4-2-4 Dani with the defensive line trying to play a high line at first....  but since there were only 2 CMs to cover the passing lanes and pressure the ball, that got torched.  Then they dropped back...  but the striker line stayed up on the pitch = massive gap.  

It was tactically comical to me.  Never had a chance.  We could have had the 11 best players at their positions in the world and we would have still gotten torched with that shape.

Per usual, Madrid doesn't realize it's a team game first AND THEN the individualists express themselves as part of the team concept.  Instead, we're compromising the team to facilitate the individuals who have no business being the pitch together to begin with.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:34 pm

There is no metric to measure that, it's all a matter of perception. To me the gap between offense and the rest of the team is as wide as it's ever been. During the last clasico it was comically bad.

But it's mainly the same thing because the guys we play forward as i said, are the same, and they generally have the same attitude towards defending. There have been times when things were better, that i agree, specially under carlo, but overall, if we are playing some scrub team away in la liga, the behaviours are consistently the same.
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