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Post by El Blanco Madridista on Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:49 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:
hmm So much for our BBC.

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Post by sportsczy on Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:58 pm

Facts.... you bring facts!!!

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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by Bankz on Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:59 pm

Shocked

I don't believe yah... Bale rofl


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Post by Adit on Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:59 pm

Useless stats. Since when did he ever played striker role with already Benzema and CR ?

A better one would be assist count.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:01 pm

it's not useless at all, it shows his impact in numbers against europe best. It's mediocre. By comparison look at how MSN contributes against big teams, they all score, they all play with one another.

It's nothing that we did not know, Bale is just shite

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Post by sportsczy on Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:05 pm

Bale was the secondary scorer.... only this season has he become more a creator and taken a back seat to Benz as a scorer. So you can take the bottom 4 games on that chart (all of this season's games)... and he's still shite lol.

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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by Adit on Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:08 pm

It is useless. We plays 442 not 433 and there are two fixed strikers and Bale is usually the one who is crossing.

Like I said why not bring assist stats?

Pretty sure James will have similar goal stats, even worse I think. I want bale out but I'm not stupid to use stats with out context.

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Post by sportsczy on Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:45 pm

James was never the #2 scoring option who was allowed to dive into the box at will.

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Post by Adit on Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:53 pm

And who is our #2 in two striker formation that has Benzema and Ronaldo as strikers? Are we going to pretend that Benzema became our second best top scorer for last 3 years by being #3rd?

We plays 442 and since CR and Benzema are always there for the cross nobody goes there to over crowd just like today. Bale usually puts in crosses. Blame him for that, bring the assist stats and let's talk. But these statistics taken out of thin air are useless.

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Post by sportsczy on Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:14 am

Benz was dezoning all the time under Carlo while Ronaldo and Bale would attack the box around him.  Didn't happen 100% of the time... but a good 75%.  It was pretty clear that, although Benz was the number 9, he was playing the 10 or 9.5 (whatever you want to call it).  His role was primarily to help the ball move, link up and open space with his runs....  and then score when he got the chance.  But the plays were primarily designed for Ronaldo and Bale.  

The number of shots prove it anyhow.  Go take a look at the totals of Bale compared to Benz last season.  Bale took 160 shots while Benz took 97.  Pretty clear.

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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by Adit on Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:28 am

Number of shots .

Benzema almost always takes shots from inside box

Bale almost always takes shots from outside the box.

Using flawled statistics to prove another flawed statistics. This is getting hilarious.

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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by vanDEEZ on Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:33 am

I can't understand why we are blaming individual players when it is so clearly how these players are being positioned is the reason they are set up to fail.

we are playing a 4-2-4 : is that not a problem for you people?

There are gaps everywhere. This is a coaching problem first and foremost
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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by Clutch on Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:43 am

@Mr Nick09 wrote:
if bale is creating chances and assisting I'm fine with him not scoring much. He should have more goals though.

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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by titosantill on Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:06 am

yes, my take on rafa; first off, i stick by my position. this team is poorly constructed. Has been poorly constructed for a while now, not just this season. Now rafa benitez. i've been reading through the posts, and i see things about poor spacing, bad formations, etc. the biggest problem with rafa is, we are close to half the season, and the man doesn't KNOW his favorite line up nor formation

there is a difference between rotating players and not knowing your favored line-up. rafa's clearly the latter, you don't see any consistency with the changes. its like he wakes up in the morning and decides, you start and play this position. people say we play 4 2 4. but i don't know what that front 4 is, we can't classify them as wingers, nor midfielders, just attackers and a cf. it seems to me we play 4 2 1 1 1 1 or 4 3 1 1 1.

james and isco don't play central mid, without the ball, a central mid is required to mark, chase and hound down opposition. they don't do that, so i can't classify them as such. bale doesn't play on the right wing, neither does james; what we see are players just running to whichever spot exists. today james drifted out left (if i were marcelo, i'd have been upset at those two turnovers he made)
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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by titosantill on Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:20 am

Now let's get a bit into technicalities. people have blamed rafa's poor spacing. when you have a team with zero identity, no ideal formation, and players playing in the wrong positions, this is bound to happen. attacking midfielders can't tackle, they hate playing without the ball. when you have them in roles where they don't have the ball, they're most likely to   make rash tackles out of frustration or stroll around, and thus disrupt spacing and marking in the process

this rafa side has no identity, because there is no ideal line up or formation. we have once again suffered another extreme; zero rotation under carlo, no set personnel under rafa. we are not a possession based side, as long as we have the bbc you can forget about that. their strength is on the counter; making one touch passes on the run. we are not a counter attacking side, because there's no defensive strength  or presence  anywhere on the pitch to stifle the opposition. we are not a long ball playing side neither, we don't have adequate crossers of the ball, nor regular old fashioned wingers- marcelo has streaks where he can make the right cross, but it doesn't happen every time. and if our midfielders decide to play the ball long, it slows the front line down

the only position rafa's remotely sure of is defense- he knows he'll play 4 at the back, and marcelo left, ramos center..even then he doesn't know his ideal center back pairing. up front he doesn't know where he wants bale and cristiano to play. this team is too much for him, he'll do well in a mid to upper table team where he can get upset wins. i gave him benefit of doubt cos of injuries, but not knowing your ideal personnel by xmas is shambolic. we as fans don't even know the formation we play. we do not play 4 2 4, because there's no ideal role that we can ascribe to that front 4
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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by titosantill on Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:32 am

i'm not going to excuse the players. they know we play in a league where a draw is like a loss. they know we have only won one league title in so many years. they are aware this is Real Madrid, and know the pressure they signed up for when they came. we didn't force anyone to come, they knew all this coming in. for a squad that has at least six players signed for fees in and around the 30 million mark and over, they haven't pulled their weight. yes the coach is bad, but very few of these players give me any confidence. even last season, (i don't know the number off by heart) but any time the team goes down a goal, none of these guys looks like they can pull a rabbit out of the hat. but we can expect a goal-fest when its of little importance
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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by sportsczy on Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:23 am

You're on a roll tito cheers

We're absurdly badly coached. Youth teams are better organized than this. No gap control and no triangulation. The ball carrier needs an option forward and, if that's covered, a fallback laterally or behind. The players without the ball move to open areas... they don't stay static and allow themselves to be easily covered. Wtf is this we're running. Players are too far apart AND they're not making any movements that would surprise the opposition.... we're completely predictable. It's easy to defend AND to attack.

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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by futbol_bill on Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:36 am

Well today's game has done it for me. i don't know who to be upset the most at.

Perez - it is his signing of so called galacticos and refusal to have a sporting director that is the root of all our problems. And he has rigged the election process so much that he will be around yet for years to come.

Benitez - I agree with everything negative that has been said about him. When I look at tactics today, with basically an improved lineup over Carlo from last year (in that Casemiro in for Kross), I saw huge gaps between lines, basically 5 guys on defense, 4 on offense, and three of them STANDING in the same space with no movement, and only Modric in the middle trying to find a target. Pathetic - no other way to describe it.

BBC - how can anything happen when they all want to occupy the same space. Time to get rid of all three of the, but we all know the only hope to leave is Benz because of his upcoming criminal conviction.

James - tell me again why this guy deserves to start over Isco. He was useless out there today.

Danilo - why he gets the nod over Dani is just beyond me. I would even take Arbeloa over him at this point.

this has gotten to me so much that as of today, I am switching my allegiance to Real Oviedo, who today moved into 3rd in Adelante and we are hoping a return to la liga after an absense of 16 years. It is not easy for me to make this switch to my home club, after 25 years of being a Real Madrid Socio, but I don't see anything positive of this current setup.

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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by titosantill on Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:44 am

i think carvajal's still injured, that would explain danilo's "presence"
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Post by sportsczy on Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:12 am

I would be ok with Danilo being meh defensively if he could cross like all Brazilian fullbacks can... but he crosses like Arbeloa ffs. AND he's not that technically gifted.

I'm convinced his birth certificate is forged. There's no way he's from Brazil.

I think he should be moved to CB.... his makeup is far more suited for that position and he has the size.

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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by FennecFox7 on Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:21 am

@sportsczy wrote:I would be ok with Danilo being meh defensively if he could cross like all Brazilian fullbacks can... but he crosses like Arbeloa ffs. AND he's not that technically gifted.

I'm convinced his birth certificate is forged. There's no way he's from Brazil.

I think he should be moved to CB.... his makeup is far more suited for that position and he has the size.


His fitness and agility for a fullback is absolutely shocking, which you need for that position. Add to the fact like you said, his technique is very poor and you have a mediocre fullback. I think his speed is OK, but he looks like a fish out of the water when he plays. Dunno if he lost his hamstrings or something in the preseason.

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Post by Clutch on Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:05 am

Danilo tactically looks clueless. He kind of just runs around like a chicken with its head cut off.

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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by Adit on Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:11 am

When Marcelo finally matures and gives us best career performance we get an idiot to play as RB.

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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by FennecFox7 on Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:48 am

Poor carvajal. Dude got isolated last season due to bale's laziness and 2v1'd every time and now it looks like perez's new toy will start no matter what, whether dani is injured or not..

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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by halamadrid2 on Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:34 am

Also I never want to hear a peep about how James is supposedly our best player and our best playmaker (puhlease, dont make me laugh). He is just a glorified Youtube highlight merchant. When it matters he is nowhere to be seen and we have to rely on Marcelo to creare our chances. Bench his sorry arse. Give me Kova + Isco any day to BBC + James

Fact= Özil 13 assists this season, ADM 9 assists ---> BBC + James have mustered 9 together. Do me a favour ffs
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Re: Villarreal vs Real Madrid

Post by The Demon of Carthage on Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:45 am

Are you really going to blame James for Rafa's utter tactical cluelessness? Look at us, everybody is playing bad, from Benzema to Navas. Every.single.one. So let's throw everybody under the bus just because our tactical genius doesn't know how to position his players.

Nobody played this bad under Carlo.

Rafa lost the dressing room. I'm sure he's doing his best, but he's simply not good enough for a team this big.


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