Where does England's forward line rank?
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:His age is irrelevant considering he's been playing international football since he was 16 and has a very poor 11 goals in 45 games.
Doubt he'll magically get better tbh.
Age is irrelevant? Pretty sure Messi had a similar international record at 21
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
Cruijf wrote:Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:His age is irrelevant considering he's been playing international football since he was 16 and has a very poor 11 goals in 45 games.
Doubt he'll magically get better tbh.
Age is irrelevant? Pretty sure Messi had a similar international record at 21
Yeah,just made a little research on his NT record.
13 goals in his first 44 apps
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
To me he's a midfielder, like everyone else that plays for Peprincon wrote:BarrileteCosmico wrote:S wrote:Muller and Reus dont count as WC forwards ?
I dont understand the point of this thread in that case.
Reus sure, but is Muller a forward? I get that he plays on the wing for Germany, but in my mind I have trouble thinking of him as one.
Where do see Muller then?
He basically plays wherever he is needed from attacking mid to CF and everything in between
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
Only counting CFs, is England's depth better than Spain? Kane, Rooney, Vardy vs Costa, Morata, Nolito. I think that is a very interesting battle.
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
S wrote:Cruijf wrote:Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:His age is irrelevant considering he's been playing international football since he was 16 and has a very poor 11 goals in 45 games.
Doubt he'll magically get better tbh.
Age is irrelevant? Pretty sure Messi had a similar international record at 21
Yeah,just made a little research on his NT record.
13 goals in his first 44 apps
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Yeah and he was rightly criticized for it, plus as if Messi is only scoring goals
Messi can be the best player on the pitch and not score, if Lukaku isn't scoring he isn't doing anything.
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
England wins quite clearly. Morata only has 5 goals to his name despite playing for the bes team in his league. Diego Costa has a very poor record for Spain (1 goal in 10 games).M99 wrote:Only counting CFs, is England's depth better than Spain? Kane, Rooney, Vardy vs Costa, Morata, Nolito. I think that is a very interesting battle.
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
BarrileteCosmico wrote:To me he's a midfielder, like everyone else that plays for Peprincon wrote:BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Reus sure, but is Muller a forward? I get that he plays on the wing for Germany, but in my mind I have trouble thinking of him as one.
Where do see Muller then?
He basically plays wherever he is needed from attacking mid to CF and everything in between
Get with the program BC.
2015/16 Pep plays only defenders and forwards, no midfield.
Midfield is sooo 2014.
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
Interesting. A good example for all the people that think that Pep is an inflexible manager.
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
England could look really nice going forward actually, though I'm not quite sure what formation they've been using.
The only problem is it's young and you also know Rooney will be involved regardless of whether it's the best fit or not.
Kane
Sterling - Alli - Sturridge
Barkley - Henderson
Sterling - Alli - Sturridge
Barkley - Henderson
The only problem is it's young and you also know Rooney will be involved regardless of whether it's the best fit or not.
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:S wrote:Cruijf wrote:
Age is irrelevant? Pretty sure Messi had a similar international record at 21
Yeah,just made a little research on his NT record.
13 goals in his first 44 apps
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Yeah and he was rightly criticized for it, plus as if Messi is only scoring goals
Messi can be the best player on the pitch and not score, if Lukaku isn't scoring he isn't doing anything.
Messi would be rightly called out because of the insane numbers he produces for his club.13 goals in 44 apps is very average no matter which way you look at it and he's one of the best players of all time now.
Its pretty ridiculous to write off someone's NT career at the age of 22 while taking his goal tally of how he fared as a kid into context.
I have already mentioned he's having the best season at club level in his career so far.You only have a point if he continues to produce average numbers for his NT for the next 3-4 yrs.
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:S wrote:Cruijf wrote:
Age is irrelevant? Pretty sure Messi had a similar international record at 21
Yeah,just made a little research on his NT record.
13 goals in his first 44 apps
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Yeah and he was rightly criticized for it, plus as if Messi is only scoring goals
Messi can be the best player on the pitch and not score, if Lukaku isn't scoring he isn't doing anything.
Whether he was criticized is irrelevant, the point is he turned it around. What he was like at 21 did not define his entire NT career
And yeah goals are not everything with Messi but his all round play was poor too. At 21 he was average, that's just the truth.
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
Is someone seriously judging a player for what he's done until 21 at professional level?
That's a new low level for common sense.
That's a new low level for common sense.
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
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Whether he was criticized is irrelevant, the point is he turned it around. What he was like at 21 did not define his entire NT career
And yeah goals are not everything with Messi but his all round play was poor too. At 21 he was average, that's just the truth.
No he wasn't, he was involved in most of Argentina's goals and was unlucky not to score himself:
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
What the hell else would Muller be if not a forward?
People think he's a midfielder?
People think he's a midfielder?
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
He's obviously a forward for Germany but for Bayern no one really knows where anyone plays. Total Voetball (:
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Regardless he was much less decisive then than he is now. The point is he's improved a lot for his NT since 21 and there's no reason Benteke can't as well.
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Regardless he was much less decisive then than he is now. The point is he's improved a lot for his NT since 21 and there's no reason Benteke can't as well.
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
Did I just read that Messi was average at 21 ?
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
Maybe not average but compared to how he performed at club level,he was underwhelming at NT level at 21,yeah.
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
S wrote:Maybe not average but compared to how he performed at club level,he was underwhelming at NT level at 21,yeah.
This. Not too hard to understand
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
But you didn't say that, you said he was poor and average,which is patently false. Del Bosque called him the best player of the tournament.
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Re: Where does England's forward line rank?
What tournament? Messi was 22 going on 23 in WC 2010. WC 06 and CA 07 he didn't do much, understandably.
But yes he was poor compared to both his club playing level and his NT level right now. I don't understand how that's even a questionable statement.
But yes he was poor compared to both his club playing level and his NT level right now. I don't understand how that's even a questionable statement.
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Destroyed the world champions
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What?Cruijf wrote:What tournament? Messi was 22 going on 23 in WC 2010. WC 06 and CA 07 he didn't do much, understandably.
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