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Post by Jonathan28 Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:52 am

Holy shit, I've just seen the Daily Mails front cover, they've already fallen into France's trap. For those who don't know what I mean, I posted this earlier. Read the bolded part.
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Now Look at the Daily Mails front page

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France playing 11th dimensional chess.

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Post by CBarca Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:28 am

God the Daily Mail disgusts me.

the power of the press is incredible.
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Post by rwo power Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:22 am

Well, media mogul Murdoch is a EU hater. I posted this a couple pages earlier:

People fell for a guy about whom Evening Standard's Anthony Hilton wrote:
"I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'"

And about the passporting trap - wasn't this obvious from the beginning? But of course the Leave camp told everybody not to listen to the experts. If they keep up with their own advice, things could become even worse...
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Post by Blue Barrett Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:38 pm

Lmfaoooo wow! Boris Johnson just chickened out!

https://twitter.com/cnni/status/748470646712246272/video/1
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Post by Unique Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:33 pm

Blue Barrett wrote:Lmfaoooo wow! Boris Johnson just chickened out!

https://twitter.com/cnni/status/748470646712246272/video/1
I think boris is great. eco smile

On cake:

"My policy on cake is pro having it and pro eating it."
On tennis:

"I love tennis with a passion. I challenged Boris Becker to a match once and he said he was up for it but he never called back. I bet I could make him run around."
On midnight feasts:

"There is absolutely no one, apart from yourself, who can prevent you, in the middle of the night, from sneaking down to tidy up the edges of that hunk of cheese at the back of the fridge."
On using a mobile phone whilst driving:

"I don't believe that is necessarily any more dangerous than the many other risky things that people do with their free hands while driving - nose-picking, reading the paper, studying the A-Z, beating the children, and so on."
On ping pong

"Ping-pong was invented on the dining tables of England in the 19th century, and it was called Wiff-waff! And there, I think, you have the difference between us and the rest of the world. Other nations, the French, looked at a dining table and saw an opportunity to have dinner; we looked at it an saw an opportunity to play Wiff-waff."
On the City of Portsmouth:

"Too full of drugs, obesity, underachievement and Labour MPs."
On being overweight:

"Face it: it's all your own fat fault"
rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:56 pm

So if Brexit is such a great thing why is it that all the Leave politicians have been avoiding the press except for Farage? It almost seems as if they are embarrassed to have won. There is no jubilation after the vote, only panic it seems.
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Post by VivaStPauli Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:03 pm

Well of course there's panic, it's just shit for everyone involved.

England, you bunch of bloody dimwits.
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Post by Unique Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:09 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:Well of course there's panic, it's just shit for everyone involved.

England, you bunch of bloody dimwits.
you said that already
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Post by Unique Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:12 pm

the EU were like one of them husbands that always cheat on their wife and think she will never leave. only to come home one day and find she is gone. Wink
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Post by El Gunner Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:52 pm

Someone who's not "it should (not) have happened" for a change hmm

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Post by RealGunner Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:47 pm

Blue Barrett wrote:Lmfaoooo wow! Boris Johnson just chickened out!

https://twitter.com/cnni/status/748470646712246272/video/1


Wow. What an absolute coward.

5 years down the line he will release a book saying how he massively regret campaigning for leave.

Has not said a single positive thing about leaving the EU.

Glad he isn't running though. Hope Gove gtfo next.
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Post by VendettaRed07 Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:10 pm

There isn't a single person who will actually take on the responsibility of invoking article 50. I can't see anyone actually going through with it, unless NF somehow becomes PM
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:20 pm

Looks like May will be PM... and she said that leaving the EU will take more than 2 years and no way A50 will be invoked this year.

Here is my prediction: a year or 2 will pass and then a 2nd referendum will be called to just "make sure" that Brits still want this. The vote will fail as people will become more aware of how this will affect them, and then it's business back to normal.

Considering putting some money into the British stockmarket if this pans out, the pound is at a very attractive level.
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Post by rwo power Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:40 pm

By the way - this is the manifesto of the Leave campaign:
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/our_case

It repeats the 350mio GBP number repeatedly and mixes up the EU Court with EU again. Moreover many of the points they put up are already exposed as factually wrong or even outright lies.

This was all the leavers thought up as "arguments" for the decision. If you compare this with the indyref documents of the SNP (about 670 carefully composed pages looking at all sides and effets), so see how much thought was put into the ramifications and everything...
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Post by DuringTheWar Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:58 am

Harriet Bridgeman wrote: At some point in the next two years we will be asked to make a momentous decision: Do we want to leave the EU? It’s a decision that will have an impact on every person in the country, as well as every industry. We can expect a lot of discussion about what will happen to the City and to manufacturing, but what about the arts? How will they be impacted by a ‘leave’ vote?

My firm view is that leaving the EU would help the UK’s arts and cultural sector. From the arts to the antiques industry, the evidence is clear: The EU has been a significant burden and we will be better off if we decide to vote to leave, in order to take back control of the laws that govern our lives.

The burden of EU law
Britain has a successful arts and cultural scene, and freed from the shackles of EU law and efforts to subsume it into a European brand, it can only thrive
Like all sectors of the economy, the arts and cultural sector has had to accommodate the ever-increasing burden of EU law. To take one example, EU competition law has created real burdens for the art world. Strict European laws on state aid have imposed punitive limits on how far the government can help the industry. Whatever your view on government support, the decision on whether the government should support our artists is one that should be made by elected politicians and not unelected EU officials.

There are a number of specific laws that have caused real hardship to the arts world. The Export of Cultural Goods Regulation, for example, has established a harmonised system for the export of specific cultural goods outside the EU, adding a whole new layer of red tape. Jussi Pylkkänen, president of Christie’s Europe, recently described the new EU laws as “a matter of real concern”. “It will affect the modern art market, which is a key aspect of Christie’s activities in London,” he said.

This matters. The UK cultural industry is very large and a significant contributor to the Exchequer. In terms of its economic contribution, arts and culture had a turnover of £12.4bn, and a gross value added of £5.9bn in 2011. According to the government, at least £856m per annum of spending by tourists visiting the UK can be attributed directly to arts and culture. EU laws that hurt the arts also hurt the wider economy. The EU, however, has an obvious agenda to pursue when it comes to culture and is clearly set on extending its grasp, regardless of the costs. As a British government report into EU control recently put it (in rather dull Whitehall terminology), “the cultural dimension has always played a fundamental role in the nation–formation process”. Put another way, Eurocrats are well aware that the more ‘European’ they can make people feel, the easier it is to justify taking control over their lives. The pursuit of a common EU culture has even seen the future of the ‘Made in Britain’ label being threatened. The Euopean Commission is currently pushing for a European Tourism Quality mark. Expect to see more of these initiatives over the coming months and years.


Never mind that there is no such thing as a single European culture. Leading historians, such as Professor David Abulafia of the University of Cambridge, have said that there is no European demos, and by trying to create an artificial European culture, Eurocrats are ironically fraying the international cultural links we have with countries outside Europe.


It’s not worth it
These problems easily outweigh any advantages that come from membership. It is true that the EU provides some funding to the arts, but it is also true that we pay into the EU twice as much as we get back. Every year, we give the EU nearly £20bn, over £350m every week. For 40 years we have been net contributors to the EU. Were we to leave, we would not only be able to match the EU’s current funding but would also have a large reserve of new funds to tap into, funds that could be invested into science, the NHS and the arts.

Finally, leaving the EU would not compromise our ability to work with European partners on cultural projects. Much international work is actually organised by the Council of Europe (which first agreed a Convention on Culture in 1954) and globally agreements are facilitated by UNESCO. Considering the importance of the UK to the EU economy, Britain is by far its most significant export market. We are certain to secure a free trade deal, so there is no risk of exports being hit by a vote to leave.

No matter what the fear-mongers say, the UK is a cultural great power and would remain so outside the EU. British theatre, music, film, television and museums are world leaders. Far from supporting this industry, the EU restricts our ability to support this wonderful inheritance. We have nothing to fear from leaving the EU. Indeed, with the new possibilities that would come from reducing the burden of harmful regulation, leaving is not a scary prospect, but a wholly enticing one. Britain has a successful arts and cultural scene, and freed from the shackles of EU law and efforts to subsume it into a European brand, it can only thrive.

The part in bold is important. Only people who embrace materialistic nihilism want to eviscerate their inheritance and deracinate themselves, as well as guilty Germans who'd do the whole world a favour throwing themselves off a cliff rather than using their guilt to bring down the whole of Europe with them.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:16 am

So you're arguing that creating a European Tourism Quality Mark somehow erodes British culture? Sorry I just don't see it :/

Also that article also quotes the 350m figure which has since proved to be a blatant lie
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Post by DuringTheWar Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:26 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:So you're arguing that creating a European Tourism Quality Mark somehow erodes British culture?


EXACTLY! You've hit the nail on the head. EU and their bloody Quality Marks.

Actually, no. It's an example an expert on art history decided to use to buttress her argument.
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Post by DuringTheWar Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:28 am

After all, it is my duty to defer to the experts. Smile
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Post by RealGunner Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:50 pm

Where Tory candidates stand on EU citizens already in UK

Gove: right to settle
Leadsom: right to settle
May: no guaranteed right to settle
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Post by Kaladin Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:48 am

Farague quits

So what is happening?
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Post by Blue Barrett Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:02 am

Incredible! What an absolute coward!

https://twitter.com/AP/status/749896104284655616
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Post by rwo power Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:21 am

So let's see... Now neither the Labour Party, nor the Tory party nor UKIP have a leader anymore? rofl

"Okay, guys'n'gals, we manged to run the UK into the wall with full speed, but somehow we don't really feel like tidying up the mess..."
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Post by Robespierre Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:35 pm

The David Moyes of politics.

Came. Destroyed. Left.

And he had even fans (:
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Post by Adit Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:45 pm

Leave camp all went to hiding now that Leave has actually happened rofl is it that nobody wants to take a Britain that is going to economic downfall ?

May be pro leave posters here can explain the reason.
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Post by Art Morte Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:07 pm

rwo power wrote:So let's see... Now neither the Labour Party, nor the Tory party nor UKIP have a leader anymore? rofl
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It really is quite funny. They should just go back to monarchy, the Queen seems pretty smart, after all.
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Post by Unique Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:33 pm

Never gonna give EU up
Never gonna let EU down
Never gonna piss off out and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

rofl rofl rofl rofl
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