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Post by StrugaRock on Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:16 pm

Considering all this nonsense happening with the club with all these failures and scandals, and us debating on way too many threads I'd say let us put ourselves in a position where we decide the future of the Club, sort of a fantasy football manager style.

After a failed season and an exit from Champions League football in the quarters, Florentino Perez resigns and names are thrown all around for the vacant position....... and you continue with your version

I'd like to see a former player with sense of football or even someone around football and Real Madrid in charge. My candidate is Fernando Hierro. He is backed by members of the socio and given control over the club. First tweak would be changing that rule of having millions if you want to run for President of the club.

Hierro and the sporting team around him consisting of former players and coaches around Real Madrid discuss over a system of play, and where will Real Madrid be in 15 years of time.

After that a sell off is started in the club, as dead wood and players that don't fit the system will be sold. Consulting with Zidane who Hierro decides to give him extra time, it is said that players such as Ronaldo, James, Kroos, Casemiro, Arbeloa and sadly Navas due to reaching agreements with De Gea a year before, need to be sold.

We implement a system of 4-3-3 with strict and most important rule, give 140% each game or you are replaced, no drama queens, prima donnas, and mos important no player is bigger than the club.

First order of business, we bring back Morata, Asensio, Llorente Medran(for depth) Vallejo(in which we try to accommodate him in a Primera Division for another season) and buy:
- De Gea obviously,
- search for a box to box player and I'd go for a Zidane favorite in Paul Pogba,
- Gaya from Valencia, backup left back for next season and who knows future left back if he can take over from Marcelo.
- A defensive midfielder in Youri Tielemans, young and with the system we will try to implement he will have tie to develop

Goalkeepers: De Gea, Castilla, Yanez
Defenders: Ramos, Varane, Nacho, Pepe, Llorente, Carvajal, Marcelo and Gaya
Midfielders: Isco, Asensio, Vasquez, Pogba, Modric, Kovacic, Tielemans, Medran Odegaard*
Forwards: Benzema, Bale, Jese, Morata, Mayoral*
*Players that will be registered with Castilla but available to be called up

We fit a system where no one is irreplaceable and everyone tracks back and helps his teammates. Anything less than 10km per match is considered lazy, wingers help wingbacks, and instead of playing horizontally we start playing vertically, not just passing the ball from Marcelo to Kroos to Modric back to Kroos and to Carvajal and repeat, but we use the full pitch especially the front of the penalty area with players as Isco, Pogba, Kovacic, Modric and Asensio always being there. Bale to take that left flank that he loves so much and see what we get from him, that right flank is all up for grabs for Jese, Vasquez, Asensio and even Morata with Benz could have the run for their money there.

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by maxyz on Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:49 pm

De Gea for Navas because somebody needs to sell shirts and he's the Spain GK and traditionally they play for us.
We are dealing with a transfer ban so we buy 1 of Laporte/Jones/Rugani/Romagnoli. We field Varane and Ramos,Vallejo gets loaned to a first league side and Pepe is moving towards retirement,he still plays a little of games.
We buy a LB Gaya/Rodriguez or Willems to back up and give competition to Marcelo. We get Reus and Dybala for upfront. Reus on the left,Bale on the right and Dybala in the middle. Jese is the sub for Reus,Asensio for Bale. Mayoral is the backup for Dybala. Middlefield is Modric,Isco/Kovacic and Krychowiak. Absolute turnover and clearup of the squad.
In:DDG,a CB,a LB,Dybala,Reus,Krychowiak
Selling: Navas,Kroos,James,Ronaldo,Benzema. 
A stable team with a bright future. Krychowiak playing the CDM role,finally giving us an actual defence. Modric to distribute the ball and control the play,same with Kovacic/Isco except they'll contribute much more to the defense. Kovacic is used as a workhorse.Since there is no Ronaldo,Marcelo doesn't need to play as LW since Reus can actually run and dribble so it gives much more stability to our defence. That combined with a CDM and a workhorse actually makes us a solid defensive team. We also have 3 fast forwards who aren't selfish and 2 of them are good/great at dribbling. We're finally a united and a good team who's deadly on counters and possesion. Aubameyang could also work instead of Dybala.
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DDG
Carv-Varane-Ramos-Marcelo
Krychowiak-Modric-Kova/Isco
Bale-Dybala-Reus

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by sportsczy on Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:03 pm

My dream:
De Gea
Carvajal-Varane-Ramos-Marcelo
Modric-Matic-Pogba
Bale-Kovacic
Benz

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by futbol_bill on Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:36 pm

No way Hierro or anyone like him becomes president. But he would make a good sporting director. Only in Tito's world does the sporting director works for the coach. Perez resigning is a possibility given ban possibly coming. We can only hope! But given it will be a short market (due to Euros) and competitive (most big EPL teams all looking to recruit and spend big plus Barca, etc) and us desperate (if ban coming), it won't allow any new president to formulate anything.

So best we can hope for is Perez to learn and not dictate hires. Perhaps he can get someone like Hierro to run futbol side of things. He does this on basketball side of things, don't know why he can't.

In my fantasy, I want to see Ronaldo, Benz, James, Kroos, Navas gone. I'm not too fused about bench strength, I do agree we want competition and we shouldn't have all kids. Biggest issue for me is for coach to use entire team, making subs viable at any time. If rumours are right about Asensio and Morata, then not only does James and possibly Isco have to go, you probably need to let Lucas or Jese, maybe both go as well. Don't think Vallejo comes with Pepe and Nacho so he gets loaned out again. Mayoral is ok with Castilla as they hopefully play in Adelante. Odeguard is not ready and Castilla works for him as well. I don't see any other canteras entering the picture next year as well I don't think club will get Ceballos.

I would like them to play a 4-4-2 formation. A stiker and SS (or winger) up front, midfield to have a defensive focused DLM, 2 B2B (modric plus someone lije Pogba, kovacic in reserve) and an AM (Isco with Asensio in reserve).

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by Valkyrja on Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:37 pm

irst thing I would do is bring back Mourinho, one of the best managers in the world and the only one that wouldn't be played by Perez. Secondly, change that goddamn medical staff as they are the worst among top clubs. Hire a football director who has a clue about the game. We badly lack an indentity, a long term philosophy. There were rumors about Monchi, hope they turn out to be legit. Perez wants nothing but the best for Real Madrid, but he must only take care of the financial sector.

When it comes to transfers...

First thing we need to do is sell Cristiano Ronaldo. He's a legend and one of the best we've ever had, but he has to much power and influence. Real Madrid can't be smaller than one of its players. His presence in the dressing room is toxic and his ability no longer compensate for his antics.

Offload Danilo for obvious reasons. There are much better and cheaper options in Spain, still can't believe we bought that fraud.

Sell Kroos. This might sound crazy, I know, but I don't like this player. He's slow and lax, not a defensive midfielder by any stretch and in more offensive positions we have better players : Modric and Kovacic are better CMs and Isco and James are better AMs.

Buy a real left winger, with good work rate, fast and that can dribble, someone like Hazard or Reus. A defensive midfielder, Chelsea's Matic is my favorite, the complete package imo, a rock defensively and also good on the ball. Get a 9 who scores goals, Lewandowski or Aubameyang. Benzema is good, but he is a striker with tendencies of a 10. Besides that I think that it's time for a change. We've had him and Ronaldo for years and won jack shit. Buy Gaya from Valencia, great backup for Marcelo and might also succed the Brazilian in a few seasons. Recall from loan Asensio and Diego Llorente from Rayo who is having a very good spell there. Good option as 4th CB as I would like to see Nacho as Carvajal's backup. He's better at RB than CB. Buy Ceballos and loan him back up Betis for another season. Vallejo should also be loaned to a La Liga team.

GK : DDG, Kiko
RB : Carvajal, Nacho
CB : Varane, Ramos, Pepe, Llorente
LB : Marcelo, Gaya
DM : Matic, Casemiro
CM : Modric, Kovacic
AM : James, Isco
RW: Bale, Asensio, Vasquez
LW: Hazard, Jese
CF : Lewa/Auba, Mayoral

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by Cyborg on Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:43 pm

Navas
Carvajal Varane Ramos Marcelo
Modric Pogba
Vasquez Asensio Bale
Lewy

Subs. Jese, Mariano, Morata, Vallejo, Kovacic, Casemiro, left back, Enzo, LLorente


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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by Kick on Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:59 pm

@Cyborg wrote:
Navas
Carvajal Varane Ramos Marcelo
Kroos
Modric Pogba
Vasquez Asensio Bale
Lewy

Subs. Jese, Mariano, Morata, Vallejo, Kovacic, Casemiro, left back, Enzo, LLorente


Dat 12 man team :bow:

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by futbol_bill on Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:05 am

Guys, I would like canteras in there as much as anyone, but let's be realistic. Llorente is not as good as Vallejo and neither of them are ready for Madrid nor are they better than Nacho (as CB).

Enzo, Mariano, Mayoral are not ready for prime time, not even on loan to another 1st div. team. You don't make the jump from 3rd level futbol to 1st let alone a big team like Madrid.

Having Lucas, Morata, Jese, Asensio is too much. a couple is fine but 4 is problematic. Signing Ceballos likely won't happen and why would he sign when others are after him and we are about to overload the midfield. Where and when would he play?

Getting Asensio back means both James and Isco are gone!

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by Cyborg on Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:10 am

@Kick wrote:
@Cyborg wrote:
Navas
Carvajal Varane Ramos Marcelo
Modric Pogba
Vasquez Asensio Bale
Lewy

Subs. Jese, Mariano, Morata, Vallejo, Kovacic, Casemiro, left back, Enzo, LLorente


Dat 12 man team :bow:


Lol my mistake Laughing

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by Kick on Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:11 am

We've all been there, mate.

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by Zune on Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:35 am

@Valkyrja wrote:irst thing I would do is bring back Mourinho, one of the best managers in the world and the only one that wouldn't be played by Perez. Secondly, change that goddamn medical staff as they are the worst among top clubs. Hire a football director who has a clue about the game. We badly lack an indentity, a long term philosophy. There were rumors about Monchi, hope they turn out to be legit. Perez wants nothing but the best for Real Madrid, but he must only take care of the financial sector.

When it comes to transfers...

First thing we need to do is sell Cristiano Ronaldo. He's a legend and one of the best we've ever had, but he has to much power and influence. Real Madrid can't be smaller than one of its players. His presence in the dressing room is toxic and his ability no longer compensate for his antics.

Offload Danilo for obvious reasons. There are much better and cheaper options in Spain, still can't believe we bought that fraud.

Sell Kroos. This might sound crazy, I know, but I don't like this player. He's slow and lax, not a defensive midfielder by any stretch and in more offensive positions we have better players : Modric and Kovacic are better CMs and Isco and James are better AMs.

Buy a real left winger, with good work rate, fast and that can dribble, someone like Hazard or Reus. A defensive midfielder, Chelsea's Matic is my favorite, the complete package imo, a rock defensively and also good on the ball. Get a 9 who scores goals, Lewandowski or Aubameyang. Benzema is good, but he is a striker with tendencies of a 10. Besides that I think that it's time for a change. We've had him and Ronaldo for years and won jack shit. Buy Gaya from Valencia, great backup for Marcelo and might also succed the Brazilian in a few seasons. Recall from loan Asensio and Diego Llorente from Rayo who is having a very good spell there. Good option as 4th CB as I would like to see Nacho as Carvajal's backup. He's better at RB than CB. Buy Ceballos and loan him back up Betis for another season. Vallejo should also be loaned to a La Liga team.

GK : DDG, Kiko
RB : Carvajal, Nacho
CB : Varane, Ramos, Pepe, Llorente
LB : Marcelo, Gaya
DM : Matic, Casemiro
CM : Modric, Kovacic
AM : James, Isco
RW: Bale, Asensio, Vasquez
LW: Hazard, Jese
CF : Lewa/Auba, Mayoral

You can't have someone who has to take absolute control over football matters like Mourinho and then have a sporting director. It was Mourinho who ousted Valdano in the first place. You have to decide whether you want a manager, or a sporting director and a coach.

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by El Blanco Madridista on Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:09 pm

Swap Messi with Ronaldo, then move Bale to the left. Messi can play as right forward. 70% of our problems solved. Laughing

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by Valkyrja on Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:17 pm

@El Blanco Madridista wrote:Swap Messi with Ronaldo, then move Bale to the left. Messi can play as right forward. 70% of our problems solved. Laughing


Neymar will do too Laughing

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by El Blanco Madridista on Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:34 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:
@El Blanco Madridista wrote:Swap Messi with Ronaldo, then move Bale to the left. Messi can play as right forward. 70% of our problems solved. Laughing


Neymar will do too Laughing

Agreed. Laughing

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by titosantill on Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:36 pm

a coach with the authority to sign, manage and motivate players; whether its zidane or someone else doesn't matter, as long as he's given the right support. btw you can have a stern manager and a sporting director, as long as the sporting director recognizes that his role is to support the coach and provide what he asks for, NOT to turn it into a political mess.

mourinho vs valdano, was cos valdano turned it political. we have our issues with mourinho, but that episode wasn't mourinho's fault. mou wanted a third striker, valdano didn't want to go for a third striker because he and people in high places felt it would make one of the other strikers uncomfortable (kinda the reason we don't get a co-cf these days). mou went to the media with it, higuain got injured and it made valdano and co look foolish so they moved for adebayor

mourinho didn't think canales and pedro leon were ready. having both on the bench, players who were clearly valdano moves wasn't a good look for him, but valdano's not the coach, whether those people play or not should be the manager's headache, not the director. so, a sporting director can work if he recognizes his role and answers to the coach


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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by titosantill on Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:37 pm

frankly i'm more about manager power, i'm not excited about sporting directors. cos they can sign whoever but they're not coaching the team, two, as far as being able to sign people goes, florentino can do what they do and sign whoever, he has the right contacts, three, obviously we don't want flo signing just because so a coach should oversee that- that way, the coach is held accountable for flop moves made, four, the sporting director is hardly held accountable for anything really and finally, if the sporting director wields a lot of power, it is not unlikely for players, when fed up or upset with the coach to use this as a tool, causing a divide between director and coach; its very very possible. i don't mind it, but director has to answer to coach; and he should only make moves after consent with coach. if we don't get one fine, but manager authority, whether zidane or somebody else, is key....to be honest, cristiano's comments about his teammates doesn't look good for zidane at all


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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by StrugaRock on Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:57 pm

That is why I opt for a president with football knowledge, Raul, Hierro, Butragueno, Redondo, moientes, I don't care as long as he is a Madridista and has sense what Real needs

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by titosantill on Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:15 pm

@StrugaRock wrote:That is why I opt for a president with football knowledge, Raul, Hierro, Butragueno, Redondo, moientes, I don't care as long as he is a Madridista and has sense what Real needs


you're joking right? i hope you mean sporting director...cos i don't know about having any of those guys as presidents. in football there is offense and defense. as far  as being a president goes, there is football and economics. i doubt any of those guys have got any idea on the economical parameters regarding running a club like real madrid. which is why when people say "flo out", i'm like wait a minute, i want us to win, but i don't want us to go broke or tangle ourselves in a terrible monetary situation

the best you can hope for those guys you mention is ambassador or sporting director, or some other duty regarding sports that they can manage in. even as a sporting director, they all have little experience except butragueno (who has worked entirely with florentino, in both terms to the point where i'm not sure how different an opinion he might have), and hierro, who worked as a sporting director with the spanish team, but i've always felt that was a figure head position he had with them

and even then, they aren't coaches, so if they are to work as sporting directors, i'd rather they just sit back, keep their mouths shut and listen to what the plans of the coach are, and carry them out. the coach should not answer to the sporting director imo

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by The Demon of Carthage on Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:43 pm

The ideal scenario would be for Flo to focus solely on his area(s) of expertise, mainly our finances, and leave the rest to those who know better.


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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by Turok_TTZ on Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:54 pm

Fire medical and fitness staff. Sell off CR7, James, Isco, danilo.

Bring in aubameyang, a backup cf, pogba, a leftback, a right mid/winger. switch to a 442 formation. Benz x PEA interests me greatly.

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by titosantill on Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:01 am

Exactly. I don't like florentino, he's largely at fault for our situation (players too, let's not exclude them) but looking at the spanish economy, i can't trust some of these guys to run Real Madrid. in terms of transfers, the one thing worse than signing a "galactico" you don't need is, not having the clout to bring in players you need- a lot of players who we needed turned down ramon calderon over and over again, to the point where the spanish media, who despised flo, practically made him look like a savior and begged him to come back...even AS was championing him lol, how things change

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Post by titosantill on Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:12 am

@Turok_TTZ wrote:Fire medical and fitness staff.


i understand where you're coming from, i don't understand all these injuries. but, and i posted this on one of the other threads. some of these guys getting injured are usual suspects; pepe  has had injury issues since he signed with us; marcelo was diagnosed with arthritis like two seasons ago, and gained weight in those years cos of injuries; bale's been on the injury list since he came; carvajal too. an these injuries aren't from tackles on the pitch like jese's. we just wake up and hear so and so is injured

i don't know if its a case of medical team or the players themselves- diet, habits, training regiments etc. dr. olmo was hired in 2013, pepe marcelo have had injury issues since forever. i hardly followed bale's last season at spurs so i don't know...but if say cristiano or ramos were the ones getting constantly injured, i'd look at the medical team. ramos' shoulder injury doesn't count, because we saw that happen on the field, after that stupid dive of his, and then the guy does a bicycle kick and falls on the same shoulder the next night at Seville

anyway, my point is, for some of these players regardless of the medical staff u get, they'll get injured. so we need to be very very careful about that. and you know medicine, some new guy can come in, with totally different ways that just messes things up. maybe we need a better fitness guru, i'd be a bit more cautious about medical team. way i see it bale james pepe marcelo carvajal will all get injured regardless. and same goes for benzema until we get a co-cf, u can't play one center forward every time and then get surprised when he's injured.....its foolish

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Re: Your Future Fantasy Scenario

Post by futbol_bill on Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:39 am

Tito, your basing your entire argument on Valdano and you have a few items wrong with him. Canales for example. He was to have a tryout with Madrid but was slated to go back to Racing, until Mourinho said he would take him. I don't hold Valdano as the example of what a Sporting director should be. Zubi was a much better example. He told Pep or whoever's wish list / needs, also the president re budget and went about his job. He was also the guy that got Luis Enrique there. Only problem was he made some poor signings and he paid the price for it.

My point is, except for a few examples in EPL, the coach reports to the sporting director. You stating one bad example doesn't make the normal practice bad.

The main issue here is the CLUB doesn't have a game plan and that is normally put together by the sporting director.

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Post by titosantill on Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:48 am

i'm not saying i don't want a sporting director, it just shouldn't be someone like valdano or arrigo sacchi who think they know better than the coach. i like for the director to have a very low profile. my main point was to mention what to avoid in search of a sporting director, and as such i used valdano. and even in the epl; using wenger n ferguson as examples, the director never signed players unless those 2 coaches wanted them. a director signing whoever regardless of the coach's opinion is NO different from florentino doing the same thing. we've had directors before, valdadno, sacchi, mijatovic, zidane, pardeza etc...its made little difference. in fact, i'd like if we got a sporting director, he should focus on building castilla and youth scouting. let the manager have the authority to handle the first team without a director always butting in the business

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Post by sportsczy on Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:04 am

Typically, you have a sporting director and manager who work together to come up with a list of targets to buy and players to sell. Then it's up to the sporting director to go out and execute... they don't work as completely separate guys. It's a collaboration.

It puts checks and balances both on management and the coach.

Currently examples? Juve, Bayern, PSG, Chelsea (post Mou), City, Barca, Man U, etc.

Most teams do it this way.

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