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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by sportsczy on Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:13 pm

People handle stress differently... some guys need to joke around because they play better if they're loose. Others need to play with an intense edge and, thus, look for things to get intense about. Best example is Zidane who was as cool as a cucumber mostly (unless he went volcanic and then everything went to hell lol)... you couldn't tell if his team was winning or losing. He played the same exact way regardless of circumstances. It helped him in big games because most players tend to get too wound up and end up psyching themselves out while he just played his normal game... which became more effective since the opposition wasn't playing its normal game most times.

I never read much into demeanor. It's all about performance to me.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by Freeza on Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:16 pm

What a fickle bunch you lot are Laughing

Remember people (including me) hated Ancelotti for not rotating. Now when Zidane rotates Carvajal you attack one player.

Now this with a player laughing everyone goes crazy. Oh lord.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by halamadrid2 on Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:24 pm

Rotations per say isnt the problem it is against who it is done that is the problem. I thought Danilo had improved but i did not think he was ready against a tricky winger especially in a knock out game. I would not have minded him today because we were at home where we are hard to beat unless you are a top top top team. I wasnt comfortable with him starting against Wolfsburg away no less. There us a time and a place for rotation

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by Freeza on Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:30 pm

I'm just sick of people blaming a single player instead of the collective. That jeering today was disgusting.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by chad4401 on Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:48 pm

carvajal gets dribbled all the time, roma game not happen?

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by halamadrid2 on Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:38 am

Dribbled =/= long ball and run in behind

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by FennecFox7 on Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:45 am

James can and should do better with the amount of talent he has. He's going the cassano-lite route at this rate. Why can't footballers just focus on football and not messing around smh.

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Post by Nivash on Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:47 pm

@FennecFox7 wrote:James can and should do better with the amount of talent he has. He's going the cassano-lite route at this rate. Why can't footballers just focus on football and not messing around smh.


Outside of the speeding incident, I haven't seen anything much about off the field incidents, which is essentially what plagued Cassano. James seems more of a square peg round hole sort of issue.

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Post by sportsczy on Sun Apr 10, 2016 5:13 pm

So you guys wanted him to rotate against Barca?  The only rotation was Carvajal...  and he can't play two full games in 3-4 days.  It's a massive risk given his thigh isn't at 100% and won't be until he takes 6-8 weeks off completely (like Benz).  The Euro coming up is another consideration.

Again, if Benz doesn't get injured and force a first half sub, Carvajal likely comes on at halftime.  But since Kroos looked awful (needed a sub eventually) and you ALWAYS hold to the last sub for unforeseen circumstances until the last 20 mins...  there was no opportunity to sub in Carvajal.

It's not really that complicated a decision.  It's the basic 123s of managing in terms of subbing in a game.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by halamadrid2 on Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:39 pm

You dont rotate in 2 important ties. You rotate when the time is right. You substitute players in games you are winning.

I dont think ANYONE wanted rotations in a bloody CL game. Zidane along with us was just deceived by Danilo's inprovements they thought he could play in the tough games kind of like Coentrao and Marcelo. At least he knows now

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by The Demon of Carthage on Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:37 pm

I wouldn't blame Z for picking Danilo. The latter had been playing really well prior to the Wolfsburg game. Z must've thought there was no reason he wouldn't be able to continue playing well, especially against a modest team like Wolfsburg. I think he was trying to be fair to both of his in-form RBs by granting them equal playing time.

However, I think Z is to blame for not subbing him off. He was getting slaughtered every time Wolfsburg countered and his presence was non-existent, be it offensively or defensively. Z just stood there and watched him getting murdered over and over again without lifting a finger. Then again, Z's subs are usually nonsensical and his rotation policy lacks shrewdness.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by sportsczy on Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:47 pm

How could he sub him off?  He was forced to sub Benz off and Kroos/Modric were never going to last 90 mins.  If he had subbed Dani, what would happen if there was a red card or an injury?  Modric was taken off early because he was just gased (60 something min mark).  With Modric gone, he was forced to stick with Kroos but couldn't really gamble on him lasting the whole game because he wasn't looking all that good either. In fact, Kroos became so immobile that he was forced to take him out in the 80 something min mark too... if he didn't have that sub, it would have been 10 v 11 with Kroos being a complete non-factor.

It was just one of those games where you had multiple players who looked physically bad and you also had an injury.  You can't sub 5 guys... and with the injury you could only sub 1 really.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by The Demon of Carthage on Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:09 pm

The only substitution he was coerced into making was Benzema's. The rest is just your own interpretation.

A good manager makes calculated substitutions and strategic adjustments in case their original plan doesn't pan out or one of the players is under-performing more than anybody else in the team.

If Z had wanted to take out Danilo, he would've done just that. Let's not make excuses for him.

Anyway, Varane and Benzema are back in training and Z has the entire squad fit and ready for Tuesday's game. He's playing a team who drew Mainz at home and lost to Leverkusen the game before. He has absolutely no excuse not to win comfortably and qualify for the semis. Let's hope he does just that.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by StrugaRock on Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:18 pm

Really, was Danilo the sole reason we lost the first leg??

Surely not, I feel like Ramos never stepped a foot right all night long, mistake after mistake, defending like a sunday pub league defender, and Pepe was not far behind him.

We need to sort the defense as quick as possible if we are to win something.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by sportsczy on Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:37 am

It's not interpretation...  it's very basic management where you keep 1 sub available until the last 20 mins.  Benz' sub was unforeseen and Modric/Kroos were struggling leading to Modric's sub early.  

Nothing subjective about it.  If something happened and Madrid were reduced to 10 men for more than 20 mins because Zizou had used up all his subs... he would have gotten torched in the media and rightly so.

Being down 2 and needing a goal... subbing a fullback is really not the right choice anyhow. We needed a goal. That area wasn't the focus. If it was 1-0 or if we had scored one, then yeah because you want to protect the current score.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by chad4401 on Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:41 pm

@halamadrid2 wrote:Dribbled =/= long ball and run in behind


dude carvajal gets dribbled like any other RB, stop overrating him, and nothing is wrong with the rotation, every time the team loses and danilo is starting its automatically his fault, that silly since marcelo is basically the LB version of danilo and  he gets a free pass every game.

if carvajal had started and the team lost you guys would just focus on kroos instead or some other player when its a team game.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by Valkyrja on Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:44 pm

@chad4401 wrote:
@halamadrid2 wrote:Dribbled =/= long ball and run in behind


dude carvajal gets dribbled like any other RB, stop overrating him, and nothing is wrong with the rotation, every time the team loses and danilo is starting its automatically his fault, that silly since marcelo is basically the LB version of danilo and  he gets a free pass every game.

if carvajal had started and the team lost you guys would just focus on kroos instead or some other player when its a team game.


marcelo is better than danilo at anything related to football Laughing

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by guest7 on Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:35 pm

Little hype so far, everyone seems so complacement that we will comeback.

To be honest not feeling the energy I think we're going to lose this game too.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by sportsczy on Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:17 pm

This is the moment of truth for Zizou:
- If we come back and take the tie, his return next season is guaranteed.
- If we play really well, but fall just short... the rest of the La Liga season, however futile, will play a role in Flo's decision.
- If we play poorly and leave with our heads down... he's in serious danger of getting sacked at the end of the season.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by Valkyrja on Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:22 pm

Don't give a damn about Zidane being sacked or not I just want to win the goddamn thing

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by Pedram on Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:39 pm

I don't like how everyone is confident that Real Madrid is going to eliminate Wolfsburg at home, we underestimated them in the first leg and they showed how good they are, same can happen tonight.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by halamadrid2 on Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:43 pm

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by The Demon of Carthage on Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:49 pm

@sportsczy wrote:This is the moment of truth for Zizou:
-  If we come back and take the tie, his return next season is guaranteed.
-  If we play really well, but fall just short... the rest of the La Liga season, however futile, will play a role in Flo's decision.
-  If we play poorly and leave with our heads down...  he's in serious danger of getting sacked at the end of the season.
Here let me remove the bias from your post and give you the impartial version:

- If he loses to Wolfsburg, he should be sacked.
- Knocking Wolfsburg out shouldn't guarantee his stay because they're not elite. He needs to prove his worth against a semi finalist. Even Pellegrini could reach the semis through Roma and Wolfsburg.
- If we play really well and still fall short, he should still be let go. Losing to Wolfsburg is a disgrace.

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by chad4401 on Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:03 pm

dat mighty wolfsburg Proud

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Re: Wolfsburg vs Real Madrid

Post by halamadrid2 on Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:04 pm

I have just tuned in to say Carvajal is fcking awesome. These commentators are wooing over Ronaldo but Carvajal created both these goals

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