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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:19 pm

Pretty convincing argument:

http://www.espnfc.us/blog/tactics-and-analysis/67/post/2836221/england-could-learn-from-spain-and-germany-dropping-stars
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Post by Jay29 Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:24 pm

Yes.

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Post by windkick Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:30 pm

What do you guys think is England's best starting 11? I would bring him but would only come off the bench
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Post by Jay29 Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:44 pm

windkick wrote:What do you guys think is England's best starting 11? I would bring him but would only come off the bench


Depends on which shape Hodgson decides to go with. If it's 4-3-3, then:

Hart

Clyne - Smalling - Cahill - Shaw

Alli - Dier - Wilshere

Sterling - Kane - Welbeck

If it's a 4-3-1-2:

Hart

Clyne - Smalling - Cahill - Shaw

Henderson - Wilshere - Alli

Sterling

Kane - Sturridge

Baring in mind there's a good chance Shaw and Wilshere won't make it to the Euros.

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Post by Nishankly Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:48 pm

Milner and Rooney need to get out that starting eleven asap
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Post by Uncanny Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:12 pm

I don't know much about Rooney leadership. But Kane and vardy should lead the line ahead of him.
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Post by Art Morte Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:27 pm

Kane must start, that much should be clear. He's having back-to-back 20+ goals seasons in the Premiership, something Rooney has never done. Kane has to be England's number one center-forward at the Euros.

But, Rooney is more than a striker. He can also playmake. If Rooney's going to be in the England XI, he should partner Kane and drop deeper than Kane. The question should be that who is going to partner Kane in England's attack, Rooney, Vardy or Sturridge? I do think one of them should start with Kane, because England have a really poor generation of wingers and they won't bring any firepower into the team.
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Post by free_cat Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:47 pm

Jay29 wrote:
windkick wrote:What do you guys think is England's best starting 11? I would bring him but would only come off the bench


Depends on which shape Hodgson decides to go with. If it's 4-3-3, then:

Hart

Clyne - Smalling - Cahill - Shaw

Alli - Dier - Wilshere

Sterling - Kane - Welbeck

If it's a 4-3-1-2:

Hart

Clyne - Smalling - Cahill - Shaw

Henderson - Wilshere - Alli

Sterling

Kane - Sturridge

Baring in mind there's a good chance Shaw and Wilshere won't make it to the Euros.


Ok. This is just too much. England should probably drop Rooney, but NOT for Welbeck. C'mon. Just c'mon.

Also, who's Whilshire?


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Post by free_cat Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:48 pm

If everyone is fit, I'd go with Sturridge - Kane - Sterling as forwards for England, and when Sturridge gets injured, Rooney at the left, Sterling right.
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Post by Jay29 Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:50 pm

In this current group of players, guess who has the most England goals after Rooney? Danny Welbeck.

Welbeck has 14 goals in 34 caps - better than Walcott and Sturridge.

He is to England what Podolski is to Germany. Regardless of club form, he produces for the national team. And this is playing mostly from the flank, too.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:17 pm

What Jay said basically, unfortunately a lot of the key players in question are injury prone though.
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Post by McAgger Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:33 pm

Kane definitely has to be main CF starter.

And Rooney should NOT be shoe horned as AM or whatever. He's a CF and currently he's behind Kane, Vardy, and Sturridge. Take him as 4th choice.

I like the 4-3-1-2 because Sterling play better in the hole as opposed out wide. And now that they actually have a DM in Dier it will work as opposed shoe horning a bunch hardworking CM's together who all run like headless chickens.

Dier
Henderson - Dele Alli
Sterling
Kane - Vardy
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:35 pm

4312 is a completely outdated formation unless the 2 up front are playing very wide, at which point it becomes a 433 with a false 9
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Post by Glory Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:33 pm

Welbeck over Rooney any day.
Rooney cant play as an out and out striker anymore. Even if you put him there, the moron will drop into the midfield and try to get involved in everything often even causing hindrance to the team. Large part of the season when he was going through wretched form he constantly did it, even to the extent often we had to play with no cf up top. Rooney will come in the way of the actual no.10 (Herrera in our case) if hes played as a cf.
Better put him in the no.10 if you HAVE to put him somewhere on the pitch. But he is no better than someone like Sterling or Alli in that role either. When on song he can produce those deft touches, and nice one twos, but thats the best you can get from him from a creative pov now.

If you put him wide, then again the same problem, the pos has zero positional discipline.

Whereas Welbeck with pace and athleticism can be a real asset on the wide areas. I personally will prefer him even over Sterling if its the wings you are talking about.

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Post by CBarca Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:09 pm

Classic underrating of Welbeck. He's a good enough player to start on the England NT and he's usually quite good for them, too. I think Welbeck, Kane, and Sterling should make a front three. Dier, Hendo and Dele Alli in the midfield.

Alternatively,

----------Dier-----Henderson-----
--Sterling---Dele Alli----Welbeck-
-------------Kane-------------------

Can Hendo play in a double pivot? Because I don't mind the look of that. I like it partially because I haven't seen Dier in a single pivot before.
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Post by Kick Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:35 am

Yes, drop Rooney.

Big Brave Gary Cahill to lead England to glory Proud
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Post by free_cat Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:51 am

Jay29 wrote:In this current group of players, guess who has the most England goals after Rooney? Danny Welbeck.

Welbeck has 14 goals in 34 caps - better than Walcott and Sturridge.

He is to England what Podolski is to Germany. Regardless of club form, he produces for the national team. And this is playing mostly from the flank, too.


14/34 is far from Podolski's germany record though.

As much as he is producing, surely Sturridge and Sterling can outdo him.
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Post by Peccadillo Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:21 am

If we accept that Rooney should play in a deeper role and therefore say that we should drop rooney for Wilshere. Then surely there is an even better argument to drop Cahill for Stones?

I personally think that there is room for Rooney in this squad. But must admit at the moment I slightly prefer Hendo, Dier, Sterling, Alli, Welbeck, Kane.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:14 pm



rofl
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Post by Firenze Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:19 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:

rofl

I shouldn't laugh when I know he will be starting every game if fit for us next season Sad

I don't get why managers are so afraid to drop him. He isn't revered by English or Utd supporters. He's been average for a long time now. Influence in the locker room is all I can think of.
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Post by Luca Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:24 pm

Seeing him in the midfield really hurts me. Just all of a sudden decides he wants to be like Pirlo and no one even questions it, starts for Manchester United and England. I never really understood the decision, if you don't have the ability to play as a striker anymore, that should be indicative of where you're career is heading. I'm not just saying this because England lost yesterday, I feel like he's been abysmal for quite some time.

I'm curious to see what Mourinho does with him this upcoming season

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:25 pm

Take him out back and put him out of his misery hopefully.
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Post by Luca Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:27 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Take him out back and put him out of his misery hopefully.


He looks happy though Proud
It's the rest of us experiencing this misery

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:29 pm

Which needs to stop tbh, if i'm miserable everyone should be imo hmm
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