Should England drop Rooney?
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Should England drop Rooney?
Pretty convincing argument:
http://www.espnfc.us/blog/tactics-and-analysis/67/post/2836221/england-could-learn-from-spain-and-germany-dropping-stars
http://www.espnfc.us/blog/tactics-and-analysis/67/post/2836221/england-could-learn-from-spain-and-germany-dropping-stars
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What do you guys think is England's best starting 11? I would bring him but would only come off the bench
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windkick wrote:What do you guys think is England's best starting 11? I would bring him but would only come off the bench
Depends on which shape Hodgson decides to go with. If it's 4-3-3, then:
Hart
Clyne - Smalling - Cahill - Shaw
Alli - Dier - Wilshere
Sterling - Kane - Welbeck
Clyne - Smalling - Cahill - Shaw
Alli - Dier - Wilshere
Sterling - Kane - Welbeck
If it's a 4-3-1-2:
Hart
Clyne - Smalling - Cahill - Shaw
Henderson - Wilshere - Alli
Sterling
Kane - Sturridge
Clyne - Smalling - Cahill - Shaw
Henderson - Wilshere - Alli
Sterling
Kane - Sturridge
Baring in mind there's a good chance Shaw and Wilshere won't make it to the Euros.
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Milner and Rooney need to get out that starting eleven asap
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I don't know much about Rooney leadership. But Kane and vardy should lead the line ahead of him.
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Kane must start, that much should be clear. He's having back-to-back 20+ goals seasons in the Premiership, something Rooney has never done. Kane has to be England's number one center-forward at the Euros.
But, Rooney is more than a striker. He can also playmake. If Rooney's going to be in the England XI, he should partner Kane and drop deeper than Kane. The question should be that who is going to partner Kane in England's attack, Rooney, Vardy or Sturridge? I do think one of them should start with Kane, because England have a really poor generation of wingers and they won't bring any firepower into the team.
But, Rooney is more than a striker. He can also playmake. If Rooney's going to be in the England XI, he should partner Kane and drop deeper than Kane. The question should be that who is going to partner Kane in England's attack, Rooney, Vardy or Sturridge? I do think one of them should start with Kane, because England have a really poor generation of wingers and they won't bring any firepower into the team.
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Jay29 wrote:windkick wrote:What do you guys think is England's best starting 11? I would bring him but would only come off the bench
Depends on which shape Hodgson decides to go with. If it's 4-3-3, then:Hart
Clyne - Smalling - Cahill - Shaw
Alli - Dier - Wilshere
Sterling - Kane - Welbeck
If it's a 4-3-1-2:Hart
Clyne - Smalling - Cahill - Shaw
Henderson - Wilshere - Alli
Sterling
Kane - Sturridge
Baring in mind there's a good chance Shaw and Wilshere won't make it to the Euros.
Ok. This is just too much. England should probably drop Rooney, but NOT for Welbeck. C'mon. Just c'mon.
Also, who's Whilshire?
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If everyone is fit, I'd go with Sturridge - Kane - Sterling as forwards for England, and when Sturridge gets injured, Rooney at the left, Sterling right.
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In this current group of players, guess who has the most England goals after Rooney? Danny Welbeck.
Welbeck has 14 goals in 34 caps - better than Walcott and Sturridge.
He is to England what Podolski is to Germany. Regardless of club form, he produces for the national team. And this is playing mostly from the flank, too.
Welbeck has 14 goals in 34 caps - better than Walcott and Sturridge.
He is to England what Podolski is to Germany. Regardless of club form, he produces for the national team. And this is playing mostly from the flank, too.
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What Jay said basically, unfortunately a lot of the key players in question are injury prone though.
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Kane definitely has to be main CF starter.
And Rooney should NOT be shoe horned as AM or whatever. He's a CF and currently he's behind Kane, Vardy, and Sturridge. Take him as 4th choice.
I like the 4-3-1-2 because Sterling play better in the hole as opposed out wide. And now that they actually have a DM in Dier it will work as opposed shoe horning a bunch hardworking CM's together who all run like headless chickens.
And Rooney should NOT be shoe horned as AM or whatever. He's a CF and currently he's behind Kane, Vardy, and Sturridge. Take him as 4th choice.
I like the 4-3-1-2 because Sterling play better in the hole as opposed out wide. And now that they actually have a DM in Dier it will work as opposed shoe horning a bunch hardworking CM's together who all run like headless chickens.
Dier
Henderson - Dele Alli
Sterling
Kane - Vardy
Henderson - Dele Alli
Sterling
Kane - Vardy
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4312 is a completely outdated formation unless the 2 up front are playing very wide, at which point it becomes a 433 with a false 9
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Welbeck over Rooney any day.
Rooney cant play as an out and out striker anymore. Even if you put him there, the moron will drop into the midfield and try to get involved in everything often even causing hindrance to the team. Large part of the season when he was going through wretched form he constantly did it, even to the extent often we had to play with no cf up top. Rooney will come in the way of the actual no.10 (Herrera in our case) if hes played as a cf.
Better put him in the no.10 if you HAVE to put him somewhere on the pitch. But he is no better than someone like Sterling or Alli in that role either. When on song he can produce those deft touches, and nice one twos, but thats the best you can get from him from a creative pov now.
If you put him wide, then again the same problem, the pos has zero positional discipline.
Whereas Welbeck with pace and athleticism can be a real asset on the wide areas. I personally will prefer him even over Sterling if its the wings you are talking about.
Rooney cant play as an out and out striker anymore. Even if you put him there, the moron will drop into the midfield and try to get involved in everything often even causing hindrance to the team. Large part of the season when he was going through wretched form he constantly did it, even to the extent often we had to play with no cf up top. Rooney will come in the way of the actual no.10 (Herrera in our case) if hes played as a cf.
Better put him in the no.10 if you HAVE to put him somewhere on the pitch. But he is no better than someone like Sterling or Alli in that role either. When on song he can produce those deft touches, and nice one twos, but thats the best you can get from him from a creative pov now.
If you put him wide, then again the same problem, the pos has zero positional discipline.
Whereas Welbeck with pace and athleticism can be a real asset on the wide areas. I personally will prefer him even over Sterling if its the wings you are talking about.
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Classic underrating of Welbeck. He's a good enough player to start on the England NT and he's usually quite good for them, too. I think Welbeck, Kane, and Sterling should make a front three. Dier, Hendo and Dele Alli in the midfield.
Alternatively,
----------Dier-----Henderson-----
--Sterling---Dele Alli----Welbeck-
-------------Kane-------------------
Can Hendo play in a double pivot? Because I don't mind the look of that. I like it partially because I haven't seen Dier in a single pivot before.
Alternatively,
----------Dier-----Henderson-----
--Sterling---Dele Alli----Welbeck-
-------------Kane-------------------
Can Hendo play in a double pivot? Because I don't mind the look of that. I like it partially because I haven't seen Dier in a single pivot before.
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Yes, drop Rooney.
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Jay29 wrote:In this current group of players, guess who has the most England goals after Rooney? Danny Welbeck.
Welbeck has 14 goals in 34 caps - better than Walcott and Sturridge.
He is to England what Podolski is to Germany. Regardless of club form, he produces for the national team. And this is playing mostly from the flank, too.
14/34 is far from Podolski's germany record though.
As much as he is producing, surely Sturridge and Sterling can outdo him.
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If we accept that Rooney should play in a deeper role and therefore say that we should drop rooney for Wilshere. Then surely there is an even better argument to drop Cahill for Stones?
I personally think that there is room for Rooney in this squad. But must admit at the moment I slightly prefer Hendo, Dier, Sterling, Alli, Welbeck, Kane.
I personally think that there is room for Rooney in this squad. But must admit at the moment I slightly prefer Hendo, Dier, Sterling, Alli, Welbeck, Kane.
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I shouldn't laugh when I know he will be starting every game if fit for us next season
I don't get why managers are so afraid to drop him. He isn't revered by English or Utd supporters. He's been average for a long time now. Influence in the locker room is all I can think of.
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Seeing him in the midfield really hurts me. Just all of a sudden decides he wants to be like Pirlo and no one even questions it, starts for Manchester United and England. I never really understood the decision, if you don't have the ability to play as a striker anymore, that should be indicative of where you're career is heading. I'm not just saying this because England lost yesterday, I feel like he's been abysmal for quite some time.
I'm curious to see what Mourinho does with him this upcoming season
I'm curious to see what Mourinho does with him this upcoming season
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Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Take him out back and put him out of his misery hopefully.
He looks happy though
It's the rest of us experiencing this misery
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Which needs to stop tbh, if i'm miserable everyone should be imo
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