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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:59 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:Haven't seen Socialism tried yet.

At least not a form of Socialism that would be recognizable to the likes of Marx or Trotsky.
Maybe that should tell you something about the real-life application of marxism? Plenty of powerful people have been influenced by his ideas that theyve had a chance for it

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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by RealGunner on Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:02 pm

As a Marxist myself I have to admit that it's virtually impossible to apply true Marxism in modern society. It's a fool's dream.
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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by DuringTheWar on Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:48 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:Haven't seen Socialism tried yet.

At least not a form of Socialism that would be recognizable to the likes of Marx


What, a class of cattle-rearing fishermen literary critics?

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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by Betty La Fea on Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:20 am

@zigra wrote:
@Betty La Fea wrote:Socialism never works wherever its tried.


Capitalism has never worked wherever it was tried.


You can say that, when we both know that simply isnt true. Laughing

Capitalism is exploitative(I Just got off a 14 hour day), but to say it has never worked is simply ignoring the reality of the world we live in. One need only look at what has happened to China, the eternal sick man of Asia, since reforms to see the good opening up markets allow.
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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by Sushi Master on Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:55 am

All the pacifist protests and the like are all pretty and PR-friendly, but ultimately will not deter the clowns in power of altering anything. These sort of governments will only quit by force, sadly. Not even with foreign aid or pressure. They're also too damn stupid to even think politically: it's just a race to milk the country for all it has left until the next official elections, which the opposition will win by a landslide and hopefully kill off that cancerous socialist party.

The thing is, the opposition has no spine and the only ballsy guy they had is in prison. The rest are just so damn cowardly it sickens me. I'm not even completely sure the opposition themselves are not bought over by the government. I mean, we won the parliamentary elections like 70-30 and the government just sacked the Judiciary Court, installed puppets, and have overruled every single law the parliament has supported Laughing. It's a whole different entity. Maduro has "special executive" powers just like Palpatine in Episode III (but none of the rancorous applause). It's frankly, embarrassing.  

It's a full on dictatorship and there is no legendary Chavez charisma to hide behind anymore. It's a full on drug cartel filled with thugs and bullies.
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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by Betty La Fea on Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:02 am

@Sushi Master wrote:All the pacifist protests and the like are all pretty and PR-friendly, but ultimately will not deter the clowns in power of altering anything. These sort of governments will only quit by force, sadly. Not even with foreign aid or pressure. They're also too damn stupid to even think politically: it's just a race to milk the country for all it has left until the next official elections, which the opposition will win by a landslide and hopefully kill off that cancerous socialist party.

The thing is, the opposition has no spine and the only ballsy guy they had is in prison. The rest are just so damn cowardly it sickens me. I'm not even completely sure the opposition themselves are not bought over by the government. I mean, we won the parliamentary elections like 70-30 and the government just sacked the Judiciary Court, installed puppets, and have overruled every single law the parliament has supported Laughing. It's a whole different entity. Maduro has "special executive" powers just like Palpatine in Episode III (but none of the rancorous applause). It's frankly, embarrassing.  

It's a full on dictatorship and there is no legendary Chavez charisma to hide behind anymore. It's a full on drug cartel filled with thugs and bullies.


Are you prepped for the fall of civilization there? I have grown increasingly more interested in prepping culture, even more so looking at the way my own country is going.

If you are able to start a garden on your own plot of land, that could go a long way.
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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by Sushi Master on Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:20 pm

@Betty La Fea wrote:
@Sushi Master wrote:All the pacifist protests and the like are all pretty and PR-friendly, but ultimately will not deter the clowns in power of altering anything. These sort of governments will only quit by force, sadly. Not even with foreign aid or pressure. They're also too damn stupid to even think politically: it's just a race to milk the country for all it has left until the next official elections, which the opposition will win by a landslide and hopefully kill off that cancerous socialist party.

The thing is, the opposition has no spine and the only ballsy guy they had is in prison. The rest are just so damn cowardly it sickens me. I'm not even completely sure the opposition themselves are not bought over by the government. I mean, we won the parliamentary elections like 70-30 and the government just sacked the Judiciary Court, installed puppets, and have overruled every single law the parliament has supported Laughing. It's a whole different entity. Maduro has "special executive" powers just like Palpatine in Episode III (but none of the rancorous applause). It's frankly, embarrassing.  

It's a full on dictatorship and there is no legendary Chavez charisma to hide behind anymore. It's a full on drug cartel filled with thugs and bullies.


Are you prepped for the fall of civilization there? I have grown increasingly more interested in prepping culture, even more so looking at the way my own country is going.

If you are able to start a garden on your own plot of land, that could go a long way.

I was left with no job in April and with a 0% chance of ever finding something similar or as good (I work in the oil industry).

I migrated to Argentina a couple of months ago. I just do not see any happy endings there and even in the case those thugs lose power, recovery will take decades, Our economy us in shambles.

Any decent amount of land you own there is a juicy target for expropriation, more so if you are producing anything of value, I am not kidding when I call them cancer: they have destroyed everything of quality the country has produced running it to the ground for their own gains. Except our women. Uncorruptable, our women. Cool

Apart from the fact we have paramilitary groups or as they call themselves, the National Guard freely sucking the life out of any rural family (unless you have connections).

Are you in the US? I know everyone has their problems but come on. Trump's not winning shit.
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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by zigra on Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:53 pm

@Betty La Fea wrote:
@zigra wrote:
@Betty La Fea wrote:Socialism never works wherever its tried.


Capitalism has never worked wherever it was tried.


You can say that, when we both know that simply isnt true. Laughing

Capitalism is exploitative(I Just got off a 14 hour day), but to say it has never worked is simply ignoring the reality of the world we live in. One need only look at what has happened to China, the eternal sick man of Asia, since reforms to see the good opening up markets allow.

Well it works for some at the expense of others. I guess you can say that's what it's supposed to do so yeah, fine, it works. But it only works because it's inherently crap what is basically what I meant.
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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by Pedram on Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:41 pm

Venezuelan congress declares that president Maduro has staged a coup.

http://time.com/4542075/venezuela-congress-president-maduro-coup/?xid=IFT-Section

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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by Sushi Master on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:03 pm

Spineless bastards. They only went out and said this because Maduro is in Iran right now as is most of his cabinet.

The electoral counsel declared "fraudulent" thousands of signatures that were part of the referendum process (as was expected; they are bought by the government) and the majority opposition congress went out and cried again about it.

As said, the government gives two fruks about what the congress say or do, because the Supreme Court (government bought and puppeteered) turn down everything they do as "unconstitutional".

So, basically, the opposition leaders will go out and rally people pacifically one or two days and the government will still not care.

Sadly, as long as a top military leader does not gain the balls (why would they? They're legitimized drug lords) and take those guys out of power by force, nothing will change in Venezuela. The population is disarmed and pretty much everything else is military controlled, even fraking food.

There's no way out at this point.
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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by rincon on Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:01 pm

The government couldn't give 2 shits about what congress says or does. The "coup" happened long ago.

A lot of people have to die for anything to change. There is no peaceful way out.

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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by RealGunner on Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:42 pm

You could say this is travel writing mixed with journalism but this is a fantastic read. Bit long but worth it.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/14/venezuela-a-failing-state?mbid=social_twitter
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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by rincon on Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:23 pm

Read about half of it, will read the rest later when I get a chance. Great find, Its on point so far. One of the better stories that I've read (in english) about the situation in Venezuela. It really is as bad (and worse) as its painted there.

I try to go back as often as I can. I grew up a couple of minutes from El Hatillo, where he writes the piece about the police mugging. And its true, that used to be a particularly safe place. Now, just this summer I went back with my gf (she is european, and insisted in joining me). We were hanging out in my apartment when a couple of gunshots went off and she got all freaked out. It was a kidnapping gone wrong outside. The 3 criminals were shot and killed by the cops in a car chase, but the ~20 yo guy the took died as well.

Two years ago as well. I stopped at a convenience store between my house and El Hatillo to buy ice to bring to a party later on. Then as we stopped in front of the place, 2 gunshots went off and a guy ran out and left on a motorcycle. He had killed one of the waiters at the restaurant next to the store for whatever reason.

I'm not sure when the author got his interviews and stuff, but this part made me laugh a bit, must been a while back. "The government was jailing opposition leaders in advance of a planned protest march, and Smolansky had calculated, probably rightly, that he might be next". By now Smolansky already got targeted  Laughing , he denounced an order to capture him earlier in the year.

I went to school with the guy, he was a couple of classes above me. It'd be a shame if he gets imprisoned, but its very likely. He is not the first guy I know to go to jail for bullshit reasons.

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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:29 pm

Maduro stages a self-coup as the juidicial branch dissolves the legislative one:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/30/venezuela-president-nicolas-maduro-national-assembly

a south american dictatorship in the 21st century :facepalm:

Every day the hope for a peaceful resolution seems further and further away

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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by iftikhar on Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:29 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Maduro stages a self-coup as the juidicial branch dissolves the legislative one:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/30/venezuela-president-nicolas-maduro-national-assembly

a south american dictatorship in the 21st century :facepalm:

Every day the hope for a peaceful resolution seems further and further away
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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:28 am



Glad the people are finally making themselves heard, it's a shame the international media doesn't pick up on this more, but hey, I guess it's more important to talk about Aaron Hernandez' suicide...

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Re: Venezuela on the verge of collapse

Post by rincon on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:10 pm

Its tense. People dying every other day in protests. Everyone getting more desperate. I just hope that this time it can work. Similar things happen every few years and so far nothing, yet every time it escalates more.

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