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Post by titosantill on Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:16 am

@BarcaLearning wrote:Seeing some of his press conference quotes Very Happy This guy just doesnt give anything away, the press must hate him and wanted Mou, Zidane is so boring Very Happy Such a boss though.


actually no, the pro madrid media didn't want mou, and i don't think the pro barcelona media wanted him either. mou's been basically looked at as a plague in the pro madrid based media. they didn't want him at all. i actually still admire him as a coach, and i wouldn't have gotten crazy if we signed him, but yeah the madrid based media and even those not based in spain have been looking at getting mourinho as if he where aids

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Post by BarcaLearning on Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:10 am

@titosantill wrote:
@BarcaLearning wrote:Seeing some of his press conference quotes Very Happy This guy just doesnt give anything away, the press must hate him and wanted Mou, Zidane is so boring Very Happy Such a boss though.


actually no, the pro madrid media didn't want mou, and i don't think the pro barcelona media wanted him either. mou's been basically looked at as a plague in the pro madrid based media. they didn't want him at all. i actually still admire him as a coach, and i wouldn't have gotten crazy if we signed him, but yeah the madrid based media and even those not based in spain have been looking at getting mourinho as if he where aids


Very Happy Imagine being Mou nowadays, he so deserves this though, cocky bastid Very Happy Its karma. Yea I guess most ppl prefer to have healthy and happy atmosphere, even in rivalries. I was more referring to those press who likes Mou for his ability to generate drama, quotes, controversies, etc, to attract more readers tongue
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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:59 am

I'm really, really, really glad Mourinho didn't come after all. I was really afraid he might sign when I saw Nick trying already to "pave the way" for him with a bunch of excuses of how he's a proven winner and "available". Dodged a bullet on that one.

As for Z, I really hope he didn't sign without a blank cheque. That squad, especially the attack, needs a radical and brutal overhaul. And I hope Florentino after firing two managers already realizes that.

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Post by terrance511 on Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:27 pm

wattba


anyway, zidane timings are incredible. very smart man. im even mroe impressed now.

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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:23 pm

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but this is the worst timing for any coach to take over. Z is showing great courage and determination here.

He's not taking over a stacked team with elite players in their prime. He's taking over an absolute mess of a team in dire need of a global and brutal overhaul.

His loyalty is stronger than his own ego. He could've easily turned down Florentino, thus preserving his incredible legacy at the club. Instead, he chose to associate his name with a trophyless season and work with a very weak team.

I just hope to god that he didn't accept the job without receiving guarantees that he'll have a lot of money to spend in the summer. Florentino owes him that much. He owes it to Real Madrid and to their fans for the stupid mistakes that he has done so far.

Time to redeem yourself, old man. Get your dusty cheque book and let's begin the raid.

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Post by futbol_bill on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:34 pm

@The Demon of Carthage wrote:I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but this is the worst timing for any coach to take over. Z is showing great courage and determination here.

He's not taking over a stacked team with elite players in their prime. He's taking over an absolute mess of a team in dire need of a global and brutal overhaul.

His loyalty is stronger than his own ego. He could've easily turned down Florentino, thus preserving his incredible legacy at the club. Instead, he chose to associate his name with a trophyless season and work with a very weak team.

I just hope to god that he didn't accept the job without receiving guarantees that he'll have a lot of money to spend in the summer. Florentino owes him that much. He owes it to Real Madrid and to their fans for the stupid mistakes that he has done so far.

Time to redeem yourself, old man. Get your dusty cheque book and let's begin the raid.


DoC - Stop calling him an old man!! He's the same age as me!!!!!!
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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:44 pm

Time to redeem yourself, young man. Get your dusty cheque book and let's begin the raid eco smile


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Post by futbol_bill on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:45 pm

that's better LOL
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Post by futbol_bill on Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:04 pm

DoC,

I'm pretty sure Zidane came back with conditions. Remember his first reaction was I'll wait until June!! Plus we have been hearing about 300M budget. That's the same figure that was reported sometime ago as the amount available for a Mbappe or Neymar attempt.

I do suspect this is a valid budget amount (I saying that from what I have heard as a socio). There are ways available to increase that amount as well.
1. they can add to it, amounts from sales (e.g. Bale, James (there is a fixed price if Bayern decides to hold onto him), Modric, etc.
2. They are working on naming rights for stadium. Once done, then there will be budget room for more signings.
3. They can go back to bank, as they did for Ronaldo, Kaka for extra amount.

so bottom line, I do believe the budget capacity will be there.

However I'm concerned about exactly what Zidane plans to do.

Obviously he has to make some difficult decisions about Kroos, Modric, Marcelo, Isco, Asensio.

Plus he has to decide on Vinicius and Rodrygo.

And then he has to decide who can reasonably be obtained.

All difficult decisions!!

What I'm concerned about reading in this forum and local papers is everyone seems to expect an overhaul of bench and yet they think Zidane will go with same old except of course Bale and Ronaldo with apparently Hazard as a sure thing coming in!!

I sure hope that isn't the case.

I think we need a complete overall of front line and midfield. For instance if they bring in Hazard and Cavani or Jovic, that would likely mean Vinicius may start and bench is Benz (not likely with Zidane), Asensio, Isco, Lucas and Rodrygo with Brahim likely loaned out. That's 5 on bench, max that could go with is 4!

And if they stay with both Modric and Kroos, that means the same midfield as past two year!!!
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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:47 pm

The downside of bringing back Z is that now Benzema is certainly going to be the starting CF next season. He has always had a soft spot for him, and the latter also has the backing of Florentino who thinks he's the best 9 in the world. So I really don't think he'll be replaced or even relegated to the bench next season.

That leaves Bale and Vini. The Welshman is a as good as gone (finally banana ) but the jury is still out on the Brazilian. Z will make a decision based on his performance from now until the end of he season. He'll definitely be replaced by Hazard, but I think Z will decide whether to keep him as a back-up or loan him out.

What's absolutely crucial for Z's success is to push for a reliable and consistent goalscorer. Even if Benzema's place is protected, he has to think for an alternative to keep the stream of goals coming.

We lost arguably the best goalscorer of this generation, and he's definitely irreplaceable, but surely we can do better than the options we have now.

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Post by futbol_bill on Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:40 pm

DoC, forgive me for saying this, but I think you just presented a very naive view!

Getting a goal scorer plus Hazard will not fix this team. It plus Zidane will make us better, but IMO that is not enough!!

If he goes with Benz, Hazard, new scorer, that somewhat improves us, but it’s the same midfield!

Look at it this way, Hazard is likely better than Isco, Benz is Benz, mediocre at best, and whoever new scorer is, he won’t be as good as Ronaldo, plus midfield is another year older!

I think the new scorer should rotate with Benz and either get another new scorer / winger or determine whether Vinicius or Rodrygo can become that other forward. I would like to see Hazard play as AM (i.e. play with 3 midfield and an AM) with Isco, if he stays as backup. There is an issue re backups though. If they go as I suggested, then you have Vinicius, Rodrygo, Asensio, Lucas, Brahim battling for at most 3 spots. you can easily say Brahim goes out on loan and keep Rodrygo at Castiila or something! But Rodrygo has always been projected as the better of the two!! I know it’s not the most important issue, but it contributes to Zidane’s headaches!

And re midfield, I say Modric and Kroos both should be replaced!
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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:42 am

You have a point, but I wasn't talking about what I wanted, but more like what will most likely going to happen.

If it was up to me, I would pulverize that entire frontline and bring a new front three. But Z and Florentino love Benzema too much, he'll not be replaced or even be relegated to the bench.

Don't expect too much changes in the summer. We have waited too long and passed up on countless opportunities. Whoever is left now in the market won't radically improve our situation.

I'm saying this because Flo only goes after players in the final year of their contract to get them on the cheap. That leaves only Hazard and maybe Ericksen as candidates.

Don't get your hopes up, that's what I'm trying to say. The suffering has just begun for us.

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Post by FennecFox7 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:54 am

You know for a fact Benzema is safe with Zidane. The Algerian connection is there. For better or for worse, we always want to see each other succeed.. to a fault.
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Post by chemicalboy99 on Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:27 am

Zinedine Zidane: "My toughest managerial opponent? For me, Scholes of Oldham."

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Post by RealGunner on Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:35 pm



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Post by Valkyrja on Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:54 pm

And Del Piero's finish is just as great.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun May 19, 2019 4:49 pm

So who is doing worse - Ole or Zizou?


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Post by RealGunner on Sun May 19, 2019 4:51 pm

In Madrid's defence they have been counting down the days since getting knocked out of CL.

Team is on holiday mode and has been for a while.

We'll see how they do with Jovic, Hazard, ElNeny etc next season
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Post by Doc on Sun May 19, 2019 5:08 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:So who is doing worse - Ole or Zizou?


Neither is doing anymore worse than the other as far as I am aware. Also, I take it Kovac winning Bundesliga means he'll be at Bayern for a while.

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Post by Art Morte on Sun May 19, 2019 5:10 pm

Yeah Zidane should get a free pass for this season. Big summer for Madrid, they need more than Hazard.
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Post by danyjr on Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:41 pm

This guy is going to flush his legacy down the toilet this season.

Despite all the money spent for this year, the defence is no better than last year.

Judging by the match against Atlético, on the left hand side you have Marcelo who is way past his best and even at his best couldn't defend much. Add the defensively lazy Eden Hazard to the equation and Madrid's left flank is throwing the red carpet for anyone to attack.

The midfield also looked terribly worrisome with Kroos, Modrić and Isco providing zero steel when defending. They were just being torn apart by Simeone's men and practically bypassed at ease whenever Atlético were attacking. Madrid need Casemiro back asap to replace Isco who seems to be far from his best days.

You know your team is in trouble when a second grade centre back (Nacho) is the player who scores a goal and wins you a penalty.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:44 pm

The haters will be proved right Proud

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Post by Firenze on Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:58 pm

1 season won't destroy his legacy (even if he did fluke his way to said legacy)


worst case scenario - he doesn't get the reinforcements he was likely promised by Flo, leaves after a disastrous season, a few people online criticise him but most say he was working with an aging carcass of a team with little investment into it. He will still have huge suitors at the end of the season.

best case scenario he sacrifices his first born's soul and flukes an other CL title while finishing 20 points behind Barca and 10 behind Atleti
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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:13 pm

Fluke another CL title? Zidane? Without Ronaldo?

Brother Firenze, the chances of him winning another CL trophy with the team we have right now is as big as Mole's penis, which is nanosized if hans is telling the truth.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:32 pm

@The Demon of Carthage wrote:Fluke another CL title? Zidane? Without Ronaldo?



Bale is still there though

He might bale Zidane out, once again

ahaha haha ha

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