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Post by urbaNRoots on Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:47 pm

Can you imagine if GRRM gave us a release date? Sad

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Post by RealGunner on Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:58 pm

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Post by ES on Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:39 pm

The music choice is *bleep* terrible

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Post by Firenze on Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:51 pm

still hoping main man Stannis is resurrected or alive tbh, forgot most of the leaks I read but still remember that they were absolutely terrible generic stuff, hope they are fake
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Post by Don't call me James on Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:55 pm

I've all lost all passion for this. Don't even care.

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Post by Firenze on Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:57 pm

it's not quite walking dead tier to me, I still enjoy it tbh, but it's certainly not among the best things on TV and it really should be. Mad hype for that new Fargo more.
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Post by Don't call me James on Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:00 pm

Yeah don't get me wrong I'll watch it obviously. But there's no more hype like there used to be.

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Post by ES on Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:02 pm

TWD died for me after that season at the farm lmao

Heard Rick's group is comparable to Pool these days

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Post by RealGunner on Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:03 pm

This needs an unreal twist or else it is ending with something incredibly generic


Hopefully Daenerys turns evil (more than she already is).
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Post by ES on Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:04 pm

Mate, everyone knows they're going the SJW pleasing route and having Dany marry Jon and rule together and defeat the WW lol

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Post by RealGunner on Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:29 pm

worst possible ending ffs

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Post by Glory on Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:08 am

Agreed with everyone. Putting half arsed teasers when people have started already looking in other directions for great television. Laughing D&D. Going down with a whimper.  And the strange thing about all this is that I am not even sad.

There could be least 10 things (coming this year) that I am more excited about than GoT 7.
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Post by rincon on Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:10 pm

Its over 3 months away, everyone will be mad hyped when it closer. Already when short teasers come out there is a lot of buzz. The time between the first trailer and the release date will be full of hype.
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Post by MJ on Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:27 pm

Are there any hints at how long the episodes will be? Hoping the 7-8 episode seasons will feature more 1.5 hour ones beyond just the finales.

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Post by rincon on Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:32 pm

I had read that it was supposed to be about the same total length as a 10-episode season, but made into 7 longer episodes.
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Post by free_cat on Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:58 pm

@zigra wrote:Not everything is a matter of opinion. A plot hole is a plot hole just like a character behaving out of character without reason or explanation isn't a matter of opinion but a matter of continuity which is part of quality. Same is true for other aspects of writing.
And btw that's all I wanted to point out, I didn't post to discuss the actual quality of the show, otherwise I probably would have posted something actually related to it.
I would have posted exactly the same sentence if this was a thread about Fargo which is my favourite active show as it wasn't even about the show itself but about the fact that people act like quality is just a matter of opinion.


Can you point out to these plotholes and bad writings?

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Post by free_cat on Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:00 pm

@ES wrote:Mate, everyone knows they're going the SJW pleasing route and having Dany marry Jon and rule together and defeat the WW lol


No way it'll end like this.
More chance of Jon having to kill Daenerys to be Azor Azahi reborn.

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Post by Blue Barrett on Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:59 pm

@Glory wrote:Agreed with everyone. Putting half arsed teasers when people have started already looking in other directions for great television. Laughing D&D. Going down with a whimper.  And the strange thing about all this is that I am not even sad.

There could be least 10 things (coming this year) that I am more excited about than GoT 7.

You're having a laugh. You and everyone else will be glued to the tv without any extra motivation once the show premieres and you know it.

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Post by ExtremistEnigma on Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:02 am

@urbaNRoots wrote:Ladsss


*bleep* the music. How is it relevant to GOT?

This is my biggest pet peeve. Something becoming (too) mainstream.
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Post by zigra on Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:51 am

@free_cat wrote:
@zigra wrote:Not everything is a matter of opinion. A plot hole is a plot hole just like a character behaving out of character without reason or explanation isn't a matter of opinion but a matter of continuity which is part of quality. Same is true for other aspects of writing.
And btw that's all I wanted to point out, I didn't post to discuss the actual quality of the show, otherwise I probably would have posted something actually related to it.
I would have posted exactly the same sentence if this was a thread about Fargo which is my favourite active show as it wasn't even about the show itself but about the fact that people act like quality is just a matter of opinion.


Can you point out to these plotholes and bad writings?

You have to ask Glory as he brought it up. I just pointed out that you can't dismiss objective criticism of the quality of a shows writing as a matter of taste.

(I do agree with him but it's not like I have a list ready to copy and paste so that would be a bit too much work to prove someone else's point).
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Post by Glory on Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:24 am

@zigra wrote:
@free_cat wrote:
@zigra wrote:Not everything is a matter of opinion. A plot hole is a plot hole just like a character behaving out of character without reason or explanation isn't a matter of opinion but a matter of continuity which is part of quality. Same is true for other aspects of writing.
And btw that's all I wanted to point out, I didn't post to discuss the actual quality of the show, otherwise I probably would have posted something actually related to it.
I would have posted exactly the same sentence if this was a thread about Fargo which is my favourite active show as it wasn't even about the show itself but about the fact that people act like quality is just a matter of opinion.


Can you point out to these plotholes and bad writings?

You have to ask Glory as he brought it up. I just pointed out that you can't dismiss objective criticism of the quality of a shows writing as a matter of taste.

(I do agree with him but it's not like I have a list ready to copy and paste so that would be a bit too much work to prove someone else's point).


Well. Its plenty. But ... hmm...Ok I will try
Off the top of my head, 6th season alone

Spoiler:
1. Whole Arya arc of the 6th season was the biggest pile of crap. The writers didnt know where they were going.
First they for some reason showed a travelling err.. circus troupe? and showed a bunch of pointless characters in that. The actress who took a liking to Arya for some strange reason began distrusting people within her own troupe and believed everything a strange and suspicious Arya said to her. Then that part was rushed so frikin badly that it later culminated in the death of the leading actress. There was no frikin chemistry. There should have been much more intricacies in play there between Arya and the actress. If it was GoT of the first 3-4 season, this whole part would have been so clever and tight.
Alas.
And then the whole Arya vs waif joke including her multiple stabs on her tummy. Its already been discussed plenty in this thread, so not going to it again now.

3. Davos shockingly and conveniently(for the sake of the story it seemed) forgetting about Stannis and especially Shireen until a certain point and even working with Melissandre his arch enemy as if nothing is wrong to bring John back. Its hard to believe something like that would happen.

3. Benjen Hands getting there in the nick of time to save Bran and Meera.

4. Both Varys (in the last episode) and the Sandsnakes (in the 1st episode) borrowing LF's teleportation device to get to the places where they want to.

5. Sandsnakes killing the Martells as if its nothing especially the big Areo Hotah. (May be they are skilled to do that (in ref to the books), but the way it was portrayed in the show, it looked amateurish and bad).

6. Ramsay's plot armour (not so much 6th season barring may be that part with Osha), John's plot armour (in the BoB).

7. The ease with which they kill off some in-the-past-important-but-now-not-so-because-of-lack-of-time-and-budget characters such as Osha, Blackfish, Walder Frey etc.

As i have already said in a previous post its the way they are making it far too obvious and forced when it comes to certain characters. The important vs unimportant character distinction is very clear cut now. Kill off scrubs and preserve main characters for the last 2 seasons. I know thats more or less what is to be expected at this stage of the show but the way they are executing it felt very amateurish at times.

Posted this Tldr bs just because you guys asked. Wasnt my intention to spread hate or anything. Its honeslty what I am feeling about goT right now. So, lets agree to disagree (the ones who feel I am wrong).



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Post by Glory on Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:50 am

@Blue Barrett wrote:
@Glory wrote:Agreed with everyone. Putting half arsed teasers when people have started already looking in other directions for great television. Laughing D&D. Going down with a whimper.  And the strange thing about all this is that I am not even sad.

There could be least 10 things (coming this year) that I am more excited about than GoT 7.

You're having a laugh. You and everyone else will be glued to the tv without any extra motivation once the show premieres and you know it.


Ofc I/we will. As bad as it has been GoT still evokes interest. It's still very much serviceable tv show.
For me personally, to entirely stop watching it, it has to stoop to the TD season 2 levels which it won't ever because unlike TD in GoT at least we have come to care for the characters individually. So, however bad they make the plot the characters still will pull us into it.  
I will watch to know what will happen to them.
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Post by rincon on Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:53 am

Most of these aren't plotholes or bad writing. Its just different opinion on the show, everyone has their own.

Just shortly,

Spoiler:
4. The whole teleporting thing has no basis since a scene change doesn't represent a fixed amount of time in the show. At the end there, any amount of time could have passed between the meeting at Dorne and the last scene.

3. Davos working with Melissandre is in character. He is a practical man above all. Right at the beginning of his story (in the book as well) he tried to kill Melissandre and got imprisoned. That didn't prevent him from working with her for years for a common purpose.

7. All these characters went out in appropriate ways.

Other points I mostly agree with but you can do that to every show ever. Things like Benjen saving the kids just in time is the most standard thing to happen in any action show/movie.
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Post by Glory on Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:19 am

Spoiler:
3. Davos is loyal more than he is practical. In fact loyalty is most striking and important attribute. He loved Stannis's kid like his own. For nameskae I guess, they put one scene between him and Melissandre in which he asks her what happened to Shireen (in the last season? ) But thats it. Afer that he completely forgets that topic. Its not fitting his character to settle for remaining in the dark all that time regarding Shireen. Only the day before the battle while wandering at night he finds the toy stag among the ashes and 'choose' to even remember about her.
Now that is inconsistent and scrappy writing, compromising the already established morals of a character in order for the overall story to move forward.

4. Teleportation yea. Thats something they have been showing from the very beginning itself. Even when the show was at its peak they were showing that. So, I guess I shouldn't complain now.

7. See, you are missing the point. I am not saying the way they died are inconceivable. I am only saying they are making it far too obvious that they dont have time to dilly dally with these characters anymore and want to finish them off soon.
And that wasnt plot holes per se. Sorry, my bad for saying it along with them. Thats got to do with substandard writing.

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Post by rincon on Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:14 pm

Spoiler:
Yeah thats ok, its all fair assessments. There are just so many plotlines and characters to resolve that they have draw a line at some point with some of them. In the books they go into all sorts of details because there is enough room for it, but it some times is pretty boring to flesh out so many different things.

That's why I was pleased with how they killed Frey. I felt that we didn't need to see Arya travelling and sneaking around the castle and stuff. We know what she is capable of, and now we see it in action with the kill.

Same for the Blackfish, he wasn't a huge character and he died how he lived. Being a stubborn badass. There was no need to draw that out.

The episodes are already getting pretty long and the show will have 8 seasons. Some compromises have to be made.
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Post by M99 on Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:35 pm

I find it strange that people are so de-hyped after they were going crazy after the last two episodes last year. I'm guessing everyone saw the leaks and don't like what they saw.

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