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Post by M99 on Mon May 15, 2017 10:29 pm

@Firenze wrote:yeah let's get rid of a player that's emerged as the best RB in the league and been top 3-5 in that position in the world this season

utter clown

these Milan fangirls should stick to watching Mehrie A

that said Valencia is getting old so we should look for a replacement for once his form drops

a new LB is a must, Darmian's decent but not world class, Luke Shaw is a fat mess and will be at Newcastle next season


What about that Tuanzebe lad.

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Post by Doc on Mon May 15, 2017 11:29 pm

Seriously, I wasn't aware GL is recognising Community Shield and League cup as official bragging rights trophies.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon May 15, 2017 11:55 pm

@Doc wrote:Seriously, I wasn't aware GL is recognising Community Shield and League cup as official bragging rights trophies.


League cup is a legitimate trophy lol.

No different to any other domestic cup except we have two of them Laughing

Community shield on the other hand is not lol.

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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by CBarca on Tue May 16, 2017 12:14 am

FA Cup is a legitimate trophy.

I haven't seen a team play a first team in the league cup since '03.

Who did Man U even play in the final...?

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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by ExtremistEnigma on Tue May 16, 2017 12:22 am

@CBarca wrote:Can we stop this?

If United win EL they'll have won a trophy this season. The league cup is beyond a joke and what is the other one, a community shield?

The FA Cup is a trophy. Those are glorified friendlies/U21 games
FA Cup is a trophy and League Cup is not? What sort of logic is this? FA Cup is more prestigious due to its history but winning either of them guarantees a spot in the Europe.

Clubs don't build "squads" with the intent of only competing/focusing on a single competition.

We can comfortably ignore Community Shield but even then 2 trophies are 2 trophies greater than 0 trophies.

City had the most expensive transfer window last summer (spent more than United), brought in twice as many reinforcements as United, and arguably have the biggest and most expensive squad in PL.

Pretty poor use of resources.
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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by CBarca on Tue May 16, 2017 12:30 am

This isn't about City, this is about the fact that the league cup is a joke.

Idk man if you guys want to count it that's alright but I'm going to take it as seriously as the teams that play in it. I literally had no idea that this competition was over and I had no clue and still have no idea who Man U beat to win it. Was this something I was supposed to know?

It's a joke, and you guys are buying into Firenze's baiting rofl

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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by M99 on Tue May 16, 2017 1:52 am

@Firenze wrote:
anything less than a competitive top 3 finish from Mou is a failure though


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Post by Tomwin Lannister on Tue May 16, 2017 2:04 am

@CBarca wrote:Can we stop this?

If United win EL they'll have won a trophy this season. The league cup is beyond a joke and what is the other one, a community shield?

The FA Cup is a trophy. Those are glorified friendlies/U21 games



Wish people that aren't Firenze would stop pointing out the multiple trophies lol

Absolute jobber trophies. And England even give teams an extra cup just in case they goof'd the other one.

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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by Glory on Tue May 16, 2017 6:43 am

@M99 wrote:
@Firenze wrote:yeah let's get rid of a player that's emerged as the best RB in the league and been top 3-5 in that position in the world this season

utter clown

these Milan fangirls should stick to watching Mehrie A

that said Valencia is getting old so we should look for a replacement for once his form drops

a new LB is a must, Darmian's decent but not world class, Luke Shaw is a fat mess and will be at Newcastle next season


What about that Tuanzebe lad.


Tuanzebe is a CB prospect. Mourinho is playing him RB cos he (according to Mou) wants to slowly integrate him into the mix. Mou rates him and has spoken glowingly.
Additional read 4 those who are interested:
Many people except (United fans ofc) dont know this, but Tuanzebe was the first youngster Van Gaal was planning to give a debut to last season. ie, long before the likes of Rashford, CBJ and Fosu Mensah came to the fore. He met with an unfortunate injury and that derailed his season then.
Now dont know how he will pan out or anything, but the kid's the captain of the U21s and it is said he has the mentality of a model pro. Needs a loan next season tho, him and TFM both.
Bailly is a good backup RB btw.


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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue May 16, 2017 8:50 am

@CBarca wrote:FA Cup is a legitimate trophy.

I haven't seen a team play a first team in the league cup since '03.

Who did Man U even play in the final...?


The funny thing is, of course, that Mourinho played his first team throughout the whole league cup lol.
He couldn't bear to lose to Pep again so he fielded his strongest team, and later their standings in the league was already so bad that he was afraid League Cup failure would add further pressure.

Because that is, basically, what defines Mourinho as a football manager:
Fear of failure.

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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by ES on Tue May 16, 2017 8:58 am

I have never seen any fans IRL ever revel at winning FA cup/Coppa Italia/DFB-Pokal, its a non-relevant trophy in the grand scheme of things, do you see Roma fans bigging up because they have 10 Coppa Italia wins? No one cares and frankly mo pne should, competitions where the only matches that matter are in the latter stages.

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Post by Abramovich on Tue May 16, 2017 12:08 pm

@ES wrote:I have never seen any fans IRL ever revel at winning FA cup/Coppa Italia/DFB-Pokal, its a non-relevant trophy in the grand scheme of things, do you see Roma fans bigging up because they have 10 Coppa Italia wins? No one cares and frankly mo pne should, competitions where the only matches that matter are in the latter stages.

I can't speak for the other cups, but the FA Cup is still a pretty big deal here IMO.
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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by Unique on Tue May 16, 2017 12:40 pm

People sitting behind a computer screen thousands of miles away telling us what cups are important in England. Laughing

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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by ES on Tue May 16, 2017 1:04 pm

I'm closer to the home of the FA cup than you, if distance is an issue to you

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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by Unique on Tue May 16, 2017 1:40 pm

@ES wrote:I'm closer to the home of the FA cup than you, if distance is an issue to you
wow. you visited London Laughing

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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue May 16, 2017 2:04 pm

Actually he lives there lol, try again though.

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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by Glory on Tue May 16, 2017 2:20 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@CBarca wrote:FA Cup is a legitimate trophy.

I haven't seen a team play a first team in the league cup since '03.

Who did Man U even play in the final...?


The funny thing is, of course, that Mourinho played his first team throughout the whole league cup lol.
He couldn't bear to lose to Pep again so he fielded his strongest team, and later their standings in the league was already so bad that he was afraid League Cup failure would add further pressure.

Because that is, basically, what defines Mourinho as a football manager:
Fear of failure.


Err... Nope. It was the 4-0 thrashing of Chelsea prior to the City game that made Mourinho play the exact same group of players possibly to rectify their mistakes with a better showing against city. At least thats what he told the United fans.
He told that beforehand too and it was kinda reasonable excuse.
I agree tho he has an unreal fear of losing and that's why his defensive approach mostly in away games.
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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by M99 on Tue May 16, 2017 2:29 pm

FA Cup, yeah its a big deal.

Carling/Capital One/Coca Cola Cup? F off. As much prestige as Trofeo Berlusconi.

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Post by Unique on Tue May 16, 2017 2:36 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Actually he lives there lol, try again though.
try what again Very Happy

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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by Firenze on Tue May 16, 2017 2:38 pm

FA Cup & League Cup are more prestigious than Ligue 1 & Serie A title in the eyes of English fans (biggest fans in the world IMO)

Now, obviously the community shield isn't anything too special

HOWEVER

I'm not about to let personal feelings dismiss an actual tangible trophy

if we win the europa league, and we will, objectively, that's a TREBLE and the most successful season an english team has enjoyed in many, many years
and that's all down to Mourinho (LVG with an assist IMO)

belee dat


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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by Unique on Tue May 16, 2017 2:38 pm

@M99 wrote:FA Cup, yeah its a big deal.

Carling/Capital One/Coca Cola Cup? F off. As much prestige as Trofeo Berlusconi.
teams only play a 2nd string in the lge cup if they get a easy draw in the first few rounds. if say Chelsea played city in the FA cup final and the lge cup final they would both play the best team they could put out and try just as hard to win both games.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue May 16, 2017 2:40 pm

Depends on the club in question tbh, you best believe i'd treat the League Cup like a league title if we won it. Laughing

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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by Firenze on Tue May 16, 2017 2:41 pm

City fans were actually very angry that Pep dismissed the league cup btw, remember reading bluemoon afterwards, especially because it was a derby. Mourinho having forged his mettle in the GOAT league, knew what such a game meant, which is why he played a strong team.

Like Unique says, teams only rest players in it when they meet 'easier' opposition, they do the same in the FA Cup.

Mourinho isn't a complete coward that he plays his strongest side every single time, as we've seen in the Arsenal and Spurs games, where it was still possible for us to clinch 4th. He knows when to rest players for the bigger picture.
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Post by Lucifer on Tue May 16, 2017 2:59 pm

Domestic cups are legit and always have been imo. And now that Barca are in position to win only CDR this season am starting to believe they are more important than the league title themselves.
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Post by Nishankly on Tue May 16, 2017 3:04 pm

League cup is a legit trophy. Community shield is a glorified pre season friendly.

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Re: Anything but the PL title should be a failure for Mourinho

Post by Unique on Tue May 16, 2017 3:36 pm

@Nishankly wrote:League cup is a legit trophy. Community shield is a glorified pre season friendly.

Thumbs up

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