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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:59 pm

Noone can argue otherwise tbh

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Post by Harmonica on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:01 pm

If the other two are Messi and Neymar, then yes?

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:02 pm

Is there another 120m euro player?

He's the best and the worst

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:02 pm

@Harmonica wrote:If the other two are Messi and Neymar, then yes?


They aren't

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Post by RealGunner on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:02 pm

I am not sure when is the right time to start judging him? I mean most of the new signings have settled in for most clubs.

He plays better for France than he does for United. Should tell you where the problem lies.


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Post by Harmonica on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:03 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Harmonica wrote:If the other two are Messi and Neymar, then yes?


They aren't
Aren't what?

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Post by Lex on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:03 pm

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Post by Lucifer on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:03 pm

isn't he the only 120m € player out there?
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Post by Glory on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:04 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Is there another 120m euro player?

He's the best and the worst


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Post by M99 on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:04 pm

Well it can also be argued that he is the best 120m € player out there.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:06 pm

@Harmonica wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Harmonica wrote:If the other two are Messi and Neymar, then yes?


They aren't
Aren't what?


120m € players. Neymar was something like 100 and Messi was free.

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Post by Valkyrja on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:08 pm

Henderson is better imo

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Post by Adit on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:09 pm

Wouldn't pass off as a 60 million player with out dabbing.

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Post by Harmonica on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:09 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Harmonica wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:

They aren't
Aren't what?


120m € players. Neymar was something like 100 and Messi was free.
Oh sorry, I thought this thread had a point. Yes you're correct, he's the worst 120M€ player out there, carry on.
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Post by jibers on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:10 pm

Yea, buy a guy that did well as a free #8 in a 352, play him as a dm, then a 10. Equivalent of Tata playing nerman on the rw in the 13/14 season.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:29 pm

@RealGunner wrote:I am not sure when is the right time to start judging him? I mean most of the new signings have settled in for most clubs.

He plays better for France than he does for United. Should tell you where the problem lies.




The right time to judge him surely is later but I still thought it was time we have thread for it.

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Post by RealGunner on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:32 pm

Wasn't directed at you but a general question.

I have seen people discuss that a lot of top stars like Ronaldo, Lewa and Ozil haven't had the best of starts to the season due to 'fatigue' Obviously there are others who are fine but maybe Pogba is in the former category?

Obviously United will give him at least 3-4 seasons but we very well may see his best next season or post Jan. Season is still early.

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Post by Myesyats on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:34 pm

Pogba himself is worth about 40M but the cringey dab that comes with him in the package is an additional 80M

And in response to Valkyrja-- no, Henderson is worse than a traffic cone, it's impossible.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:34 pm

@jibers wrote:Yea, buy a guy that did well as a free #8 in a 352, play him as a dm, then a 10. Equivalent of Tata playing nerman on the rw in the 13/14 season.


Excuses.
He did well because he was carried by Marchisio, Pirlo and Vidal tbh.
Now it's time to take over responsibility, and he's falling short.

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Post by sportsczy on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:37 pm

Ibra looks horrible too for United.

Problem is that the rest of Man U have a hard time getting the ball to both Ibra and Pogba... and then they don't make supporting runs the few times they have it.

It's typical Mourinho though. Remember that he managed to make Ronaldo, Higuain, Ozil, Di Maria, Benzema, Alonso and Marcelo look very poor for long stretches. They guy just likes to play negative tactics and hope the players figure it out on the attack... he's built a career on this.

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Post by jibers on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:37 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@jibers wrote:Yea, buy a guy that did well as a free #8 in a 352, play him as a dm, then a 10. Equivalent of Tata playing nerman on the rw in the 13/14 season.


Excuses.
He did well because he was carried by Marchisio, Pirlo and Vidal tbh.
Now it's time to take over responsibility, and he's falling short.


Vidal and Pirlo weren't there in his best season.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:41 pm

@jibers wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@jibers wrote:Yea, buy a guy that did well as a free #8 in a 352, play him as a dm, then a 10. Equivalent of Tata playing nerman on the rw in the 13/14 season.


Excuses.
He did well because he was carried by Marchisio, Pirlo and Vidal tbh.
Now it's time to take over responsibility, and he's falling short.


Vidal and Pirlo weren't there in his best season.


It surely wasn't his best season until Marchisio came back from injury and Khedira settled in.
Point is, the kid, as talented as he is, was always carried by more tactically accomplished teammates

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Post by sportsczy on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:43 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@jibers wrote:Yea, buy a guy that did well as a free #8 in a 352, play him as a dm, then a 10. Equivalent of Tata playing nerman on the rw in the 13/14 season.


Excuses.
He did well because he was carried by Marchisio, Pirlo and Vidal tbh.
Now it's time to take over responsibility, and he's falling short.

wat. Marchisio was benched by Pogba 3 years ago, Vidal was gone for Pogba's last year and Pirlo was a complete (and often injured) shell of himself in his last year at Juve too 2 years ago.

Last year, the midfield was Khedira (when healthy) and Marchisio (when healthy) with Pogba ahead of them. The attack was Dybala and Mandzukic mostly. When Khedira and/or Marchisio were out, it was Hernanes, Pereyra and Sturraro who filled in.

Personnel wasn't incredible. They were just very well managed tactically. Also, they had proper attacking fullbacks and Evra/Lichsteiner which helped a lot. Bonucci also provided playmaking out of the back 3.

This Man U team is just names on the back of the shirt right now... some of which aren't very good tbh. They're not really playing like a unit. Time should help... or at least one would hope.

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Post by sportsczy on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:44 pm

Hans is trolling anyhow so I'll stop lol.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:59 pm

@RealGunner wrote:I am not sure when is the right time to start judging him? I mean most of the new signings have settled in for most clubs.

He plays better for France than he does for United. Should tell you where the problem lies.


I don't think he is playing any better with France actually, he is getting criticized a lot in France too. His screamer last week was a saving grace but people are getting impatient because his performances in midfield are very average, far from what a player of his supposed talent is supposed to display

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