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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Unique on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:23 pm

I read the other day that emre can has more goals and assists than jogba this season not sure how true that is

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Post by Collblanc on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:23 pm

Cant even see he was at fault for not tracking back his man on that first goal. Really intelligent player, yes. rofl rofl rofl
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Post by futbol on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:24 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Collblanc wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:Pogba would be an absolute monster under Klopp tho


His intelligence is sub-par for that. He is not a system-player, and never will be.


In terms of systems, I trust Conte and Allegri more than I trust you, no offense. They seemed to have no problem with his 'intelligence'.


Eh? Playing a luxury role infront of Vidal, Marchisio and Pirlo in a slowmotion league?

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Post by Firenze on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:25 pm

@Unique wrote:I read the other day that emre can has more goals and assists than jogba this season not sure how true that is


Pogba has more assists than Can has goals and assists. Not hard to do 5 seconds of research. Pogba's joint third for assists. Can's joint 280th.
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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Unique on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:27 pm

@Firenze wrote:
@Unique wrote:I read the other day that emre can has more goals and assists than jogba this season not sure how true that is


Pogba has more assists than Can has goals and assists. Not hard to do 5 seconds of research. Pogba's joint third for assists. Can's joint 280th.
that’s lucky. Imagine being out performed by milner in your first year and can in your 2nd year. Very Happy

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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:29 pm

@futbol wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Collblanc wrote:


His intelligence is sub-par for that. He is not a system-player, and never will be.


In terms of systems, I trust Conte and Allegri more than I trust you, no offense. They seemed to have no problem with his 'intelligence'.


Eh? Playing a luxury role infront of Vidal, Marchisio and Pirlo in a slowmotion league?


The fact is he was starter at Juve, for coaches who are very tactically astute and demand work and tactical discipline, and he started in a squad much more strong in midfield, as your post shows.
Those managers made their formation so that all of those 4 could play together, and they played well. Pogba played well. He wasn't a luxury player, but a mobile beast.

His problem is that he is not ready to be a strategic player, and that what's expected from him at Man United.
Or rather, post-Ferguson Man United is a talent black hole, players tend to look worse there than they did before moving.
Pogba's clearly not the only one affected.

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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Collblanc on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:30 pm

Souness wrote:''We get kidded by his athleticism. When you see him move he is an absolute Rolls Royce. Does he have a football brain? He has still to develop his football brain."


Pundits on Pogba Mourinho didn't buy him, he lacks intelligence, whats his best position?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT0pYGZ8xLk
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:32 pm

What? Morata?

lmao and you call me clueless?

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Post by Collblanc on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:34 pm

what are you on about? both are about pogba Laughing
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Post by rincon on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:34 pm

That edit Laughing
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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Collblanc on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:35 pm

What edit? It doesnt say 'edited' does it? you lot Laughing
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:36 pm

@Collblanc wrote:What edit? It doesnt say 'edited' does it? you lot Laughing


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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Collblanc on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:37 pm

I'd go as far as saying Carrick is far more intelligent then Pogba, defending and attacking.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:39 pm

@Collblanc wrote:I'd go as far as saying Carrick is far more intelligent then Pogba, defending and attacking.


Carrick was an exceptionally intelligent player, so "I'd go as far" isn't actually going very far and an odd way to phrase it, or to make a point.

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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Collblanc on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:40 pm

Pogba was also outplayed intelligence wise by Dele Alli and Eriksen. His positional awareness and passing is sub-par atm
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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Collblanc on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:40 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Collblanc wrote:I'd go as far as saying Carrick is far more intelligent then Pogba, defending and attacking.


Carrick was an exceptionally intelligent player, so "I'd go as far" isn't actually going very far and an odd way to phrase it, or to make a point.


You have to set the bar higher. Carrick was intelligent, but no Xavi or Pirlo. Dont settle for less.


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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:40 pm

at the moment? Oh sure, absolutely. He looks abysmal.

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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:41 pm

even playing for Conte and Allegri, Pogba had a bit of a free role in their team structures. both managers intrusted the likes of pirlo, marchisio and vidal to assume the structure, and Pogba was that added piece who could run up the pitch and have more freedom.

Mourinho is not playing Pogba in that type of role, he is trying to build the midfield around him, trying to have him assume the role of a midfield general like Modric, but POgba has nowhere near that intelligence.

by the way, let's stop comparing De Bruyne to POgba, is he better than Eriksen?

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Post by rincon on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:44 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:even playing for Conte and Allegri, Pogba had a bit of a free role in their team structures. both managers intrusted the likes of pirlo, marchisio and vidal to assume the structure, and Pogba was that added piece who could run up the pitch and have more freedom.


No. Lets not fall into fake news to justify stories. Under Conte Pogba wasn't allowed to move a foot out of place. He did not have a free role at all at any point.

Under Allegri he only had a more free role the last season when he got the 10. The first season the midfielder that would run up the pitch was Vidal, Pogba was a regular mezzala.
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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Collblanc on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:47 pm

Didnt Conte try out the 4-3-3 with Pogba as the mezzala (false winger)? I think in the mid 3 on the left flank he was at his best under Conte. A fairly free role you might say.


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Post by rincon on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:49 pm

@Collblanc wrote:Didnt Conte try out the 4-4-3 with Pogba as the mezzala?


Of course he did. Pogba only played mezzala for Juve. He was tried in an odd game or two in other positions but 99% he was one of the mezzalas.
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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Collblanc on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:50 pm

Thumbs up thats a "free" role for me imho
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:50 pm

what is the best version of pogba that we have seen then, if there is such a thing? i dont even remember if he has delivered an elite game in CL against top opposition at this point

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Post by rincon on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:51 pm

@Collblanc wrote:Thumbs up thats a "free" role for me imho


You have no idea what that means imho Laughing

the mezzalas are the two side midfielders in the 4-3-3 or 3-5-2.
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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:52 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:what is the best version of pogba that we have seen then, if there is such a thing? i dont even remember if he has delivered an elite game in CL against top opposition at this point


Yeah he has, IIRC he performed well in basically all those CL games, except the final vs Barca.

Let's stop all this hindsight peddling. The hype was ridiculous, but there was a reason for it. The reason bbeing that Pogba was a breathtaking young world class footballer. Period.

What's happening now is another story, and IMO it has mostly to do with MONEY


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Re: Pogba is the worst 120m € player out there

Post by Collblanc on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:53 pm

Yes, having the free role to move to the side to find space, and going into the forward 9 position when space occurs... That is what you call a free role...
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