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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:44 am

@sportsczy wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:Can we make a case for Pogba being a modern version o Ruud Gullit? i dont think i have ever seen this comparison

No. The comparison is absolutely retarded. They play completely different positions.
That's my point, Pogba wants to play higher up the field. He is a retarded midfielder, maybe playing closer to the box would allow him to express himself more. Look at what Pochettino did with Ali...and Pogba is 1000% better

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Post by LeBéninois on Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:29 am

Pogba a retarded midfielder ? Come on now.

It is true he needs more freedom to shine which is why a 3 man midfield can suit him well . Or to be part of a set up where he can play simple like for France. I don't think he can play higher like Delle Alli, he is not " mobile " enough.

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Post by Firenze on Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:13 pm

Mourinho is now gone.

Very interested to see how Pogba performs for the rest of the season.

I 1000% hope I am apologizing to Sports come May and his relationship with Mourinho was 95% to blame

but




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Post by Unique on Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:56 pm

@Firenze wrote:Mourinho is now gone.

Very interested to see how Pogba performs for the rest of the season.

I 1000% hope I am apologizing to Sports come May and his relationship with Mourinho was 95% to blame

but



the lad can’t control a football not sure how you can blame mourinho for that.

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Post by Firenze on Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:20 pm

2 assists, involved in the other goals and could have taken the penalty and stat padded if he wanted hmm

good early signs but it was Cardiff
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Post by Kaladin on Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:21 pm

c a r d i f f

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Post by Firenze on Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:23 pm

right, we'll see how he performs against better teams

Florentin Pogba could dominate Cardiff

though Cardiff > Milan
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Post by sportsczy on Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:32 pm

Biggest reason is that Pogba is playing in his proper position in a 3 man midfield. Other reason is that you have talent and speed in front of him with Martial and Rashford. Lingard is useful too when he gets to play the off side that opens up.

Just a better set up, more positive tactics and better use of talent.

If this was Mourinho, you'd go 1 up and park the bus lol. Not to mention a front 3 of Mata, Rashford and Fellaini.

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Post by Firenze on Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:33 pm

scored a nice goal just now too

uff, post Mourinho Pogba :bow:

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Post by Firenze on Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:34 pm

make that 2 goals :bow:

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Post by Firenze on Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:40 pm

2 MOTM performances back to back from him so far..looking like I may need to start penning that apology to Sports tbh

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Post by sportsczy on Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:51 pm

No need man.  The cancer that is Jose Mourinho would make Messi look like a pub player if at all possible... that's the manager that he is.

He'd probably ask Messi to track the fullback all the way to his own goal line and then bench him if he couldn't do it lol.

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Post by Arquitescu on Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:24 pm

I've had my fair share of criticisms on Pogba since his Juve days but truth is motivation (to which should be in every human period let alone professional) really can make the difference in a performer.

Whether a Sensei in a Karate class to a man who gyms based on the environment and how much he lifts to a footballer who can either feel daunted when he enters the pitch or fiery based on his coach.

Growing up in youth football lays personal testament to that and if Mourinho did oppress his mentality then we can see the effect Allegri and Deschamp had personally on Pogba to just let him be himself and not dictate each move.

Footballers are simple minds usually given that is all they really know and some need to be told what to do and crave it, Pogba clearly prefers inspiration and not a general.

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Post by sportsczy on Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:57 pm

Arqi...  generals work with Pogba too.  But good ones.  Conte is a massive authoritarian and so is Deschamps.  They protect their players though in public, during both good and bad times.  The discipline is administered behind closed doors.  Mourinho praises himself when things go well and throws his players under the bus during tough times.

Nobody wants to deal with such a snake.  It's a lose-lose for a player.

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Post by Arquitescu on Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:02 pm

Stuardship from a coach really does seem the difference in Pogba.

If you're being told numerous tactics and dictated 'how you should play' rather than being given a vision and perspective, specific minds like Pogba footballing acumen aside are bound to look like wayward lemmings and it seems this more bitter and jaded version of Mourinho seemed to have just that effect upon him.

Say a player like Marcelo, would have a very similar consequence is 'coached' in such fashion.

Conte is consistent with himself as much of a total annoyance he can be, Allegri was known to just let him play, Deschamps clearly is a father figure of sorts.

Firenze may be right on us having to be served some hot and rank crow biryani it seems.

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Post by Myesyats on Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:12 am

Pogba definitely has quality. There is no question about it.... Has nobody seen him at Juve? Mourinho is the virus that spreads onto the players and everyone around. The man did not evolve with the times.
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Post by M99 on Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:39 pm

@Firenze wrote:regardless of Mou being done here at the end of the season , hopefully we can bamboozle Barca or Madrid to drop 100m on him



@Firenze wrote:make that 2 goals :bow:

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:41 pm

Pogba is beaming playing so high up the pitch, he is loving it. The lad doesnt want to play in front of the defense.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:05 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
United need to fire Mourinho, because he's doing an absolutely terrible job at coaching their team (NEGATIVE GOAL DIFFERENCE after 15 match days FFS Laughing ), and then worry about Pogba's form, performances, attitude once a new coach gets in.
My guess would be, most of the problems will have vanished.


Yep.

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Post by sportsczy on Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:07 pm

All the Pogba critics can fuck off now... and some of those are praising him suddenly (the typical hair trigger 180 guys).

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Post by Firenze on Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:09 pm

Well, we still need to see him perform against elite teams before you can get your victory lap tbh

but I'd say you can start warming up for it based on what we're seeing

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Post by sportsczy on Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:12 pm

I don't think Man U have the balance to perform well against the elite teams...  they'll just smother Pogba's space and dare the others to create.  The secondary and tertiary creators are much more important in those kinds of games.

And you're not one of those guys I mentioned Firenze... it took you a while to reach extreme frustration and want everyone gone (and understandably). I'm talking non Man U fans.

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Post by windkick on Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:14 pm

Loving this. Just shows how crap Mourinho is; how the game evolved and due to his stubborn ways he has been left behind. I’m very happy for Pogba, always figured the issue was Mourinho and not him

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Post by Arquitescu on Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:36 pm



Real Life picture of Sports concocting a slowly stewed dish of Crow Biryani waiting to be served to us after today.

Gather your spoons friends, its time to dig in. No No No No

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Post by sportsczy on Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:40 pm

I don't even blame you Arqi. You're a Milan fan. You almost have to dislike Juve players as a general rule.

I have a similar problem with PSG players. They need to do well for Ligue 1 to have any sort of relevance... but I have complete disdain for them other than that unless they're relevant to NT lol.

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Post by Arquitescu on Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:48 pm

No truth be told my fanship of clubs never really got in the way of how I rate players past a certain age given my value of objectivity by now. Just rate many more Frenchmen over him.

I appreciate Pogba for what he is and can do and whilst I still maintain he is overrated in sorts, I failed to see the mental onslaught Mourinho performed upon him even if it came to the 'Mou doesn't have Pogs forget the footballing basics' argument that has been the main focal criticism of Pogba detractors.

So in essence failed to see what negative coaching can do upon a player when looking back upon my own footballing youth days, and of course beyond just the eye test and not seeing whats behind the scenes.

Yes its just three games against not so strong opposition but the next step is to see how he performs versus bigger clubs to which has been questionable and more importantly in tighter, more crucial situations.

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