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Post by Don't call me James on Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:14 pm

Thread where we discuss each conceded goal and figure out which of the defenders is to be blamed.

So far this season.

1. Walcott for Arsenal - https://my.mixtape.moe/nyopce.mp4 (Moreno, Lallana)
2. Chamberlain for Arsenal - https://my.mixtape.moe/oemrix.mp4 (Henderson, Lallana)
3. Chambers for Arsenal - https://my.mixtape.moe/paxlyi.mp4 (Clyne)
4. Vokes for Burnley - https://my.mixtape.moe/sperrj.mp4 (Clyne)
5. Gray for Burnley - https://my.mixtape.moe/noxrnx.mp4 (Henderson, Klavan, Coutinho, Sturrdige)
6. Rose for Tottenham - https://my.mixtape.moe/ehivgv.mp4 (Milner, Lallana, Mane)
7. Vardy for Leicester - https://my.mixtape.moe/oyleda.mp4 (Lucas)
8. Costa for Chelsea - https://my.mixtape.moe/ngxlmy.mp4 (Henderson, Lallana, Matip)
9. Meyler for Hull City - https://streamable.com/d4m8 (Milner, Clyne)
10. Fer for Swansea - https://my.mixtape.moe/qpdmuu.mp4 (Lovren, Clyne)
11. McAuley for WBA - https://streamable.com/wgq1 (Karius, Firmino)
12. Janssen for Spurs (EFL) - https://my.mixtape.moe/rougbo.mp4 (Lucas)
13. McArthur for Palace - https://my.mixtape.moe/zcajxm.mp4 (Lovren)
14. McArthur for Palace - https://my.mixtape.moe/tinjzm.mp4 (Lovren)
15. Janmaat for Watford - https://my.mixtape.moe/cxbrmx.mp4 (Henderson, Milner)
16. Wilson for Bournemouth - https://my.mixtape.moe/ymsfbc.mp4 (Lovren, Milner)
17. Fraser for Bournemouth - https://my.mixtape.moe/wrrvup.mp4 (Origi, Lovren, Hendo, Karius)
18. Cook for Bournemouth - https://streamable.com/b9gg (The whole team)
19. Ake for Bournemouth - https://my.mixtape.moe/qxspbu.mp4 (Karius)
20. Payet for West Ham - https://my.mixtape.moe/keefki.mp4 (Karius)
21. Antonio for West Ham - https://my.mixtape.moe/itqjls.mp4 (PBO Henderson, Karius)

Players in parenthesis is who I think was at fault for each of those goals.
PBO - partial blame only


EDIT: Update.


Last edited by Don't call me James on Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:52 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Update)

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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by iftikhar on Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:45 am

Can't we have it in the stats section/thread???
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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Curtinho on Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:28 pm

What the **** even is this topic? We're playing on top of the world right now and you want to create a topic for dishing out blame for the very few shortcomings we've had? gtfo man jesus.

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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Don't call me James on Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:55 pm

Go take that circle jerk shit to rawk you pleb. This is not a circle jerk forum, we will discuss every aspect of our game here.

The bad with the good.

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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Art Morte on Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:55 pm

I kinda like the idea, but can't be bothered to check all 15 of them. If you add future goals conceded after every 1 or 2 games, I'll say my piece on them.
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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Don't call me James on Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:00 pm

Just do the last goal against Watford.

I think Henderson was the biggest culprit. Milner didn't paint himself in glory. Got beat way too easy. but Can had already arrived in front of Amrabat and Lucas had his left side covered.

All Hendeson had to do was stay with Janmaat. Even if Ambarat came to the left he would have come to him. But nope, Hendo decides to go hold Can's hand and leaves Janmaat completely by himself.

Can't blame the keeper at all here.

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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Don't call me James on Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:02 pm

@iftikhar wrote:Can't we have it in the stats section/thread???


No we can't.

This has nothing to do with stats.

This is a discussion thread about our defensive shortcomings.

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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by El Gunner on Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:22 pm

Nice thread McEggz. Just curious, do you make those small videos or where do you find them? hmm

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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Don't call me James on Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:14 pm

I get them on r/soccer and r/liverpoolfc.

For the ones that aren't on reddit, I make them myself. They are very quick and easy to make.

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Post by El Gunner on Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:26 pm

Which video editor do you use hmm

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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Art Morte on Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:28 pm

@Don't call me James wrote:Just do the last goal against Watford.

I think Henderson was the biggest culprit. Milner didn't paint himself in glory. Got beat way too easy. but Can had already arrived in front of Amrabat and Lucas had his left side covered.

All Hendeson had to do was stay with Janmaat. Even if Ambarat came to the left he would have come to him. But nope, Hendo decides to go hold Can's hand and leaves Janmaat completely by himself.

Can't blame the keeper at all here.


Well, I'd say it's between Milner, Henderson and Lucas.
Milner lost his man way too easily.
Henderson started ball-watching instead of marking Janmaat.
Lucas drifted needless out wide even though he was playing CB on the side where the goal came.


Our defence does worry me in general though. Watford only had that about 10 minute spell at 5 - 0 when they played a little bit better. Nothing above average. And, to me, it looked like the goal was coming. Basically, our ability to soak up pressure is really bad.
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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Lucifer on Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:29 am

Liverpool no doubt are playing most exhilarating, exciting and beautiful brand of football in Europe but at risk of being called spoilsport I must point out that it is defence that makes u win league titles. especially in very competitive league such as epl you must have that ability to grind out 1-0 results.
Your forward however talented they are, are going to find difficult to score in some games especially in later part of season when most teams will definitely work out a plan to stop them.
So it is absolutely critical for Kloppo to address the issue. You don't have quality individuals at back so they have to work as unit and shield the weak link. Also stop giving goals for peanuts, keeping a clean sheet is huge confidence boost for defence. I would take 3-0 over 5-2 any day.
It's upto Kloppo and Liverpool if they want to be league winners or the team that should have won.
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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Don't call me James on Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:40 am

@Lucifer wrote: You don't have quality individuals at back


Stopped reading at this.

Matip is the best CB in the league. Our fullbacks Milner and Clyne are up there as well.

The caveat of having an amazing offense like we do means you have to sacrifice a little bit at the back. Henderson is playing as a DM for us. think about that for a second.

If we shored up our back line and added more steel to be stronger defensively we would lose out a bit on offense.

Look at Spurs, they can't buy a goal yet have the best defensive record in the league. It's doing them so good keeping all these clean sheets not being able to win games, right?

Goals win you games. We get goals first and foremost. Not conceding does not guarantee you wins.

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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Lucifer on Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:03 am

Ya let's agree to disagree then. Btw can we have stats of opposition shots allowed on target per game, I think that is good test to see if there is improvement as the season goes on.
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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:13 pm

@Don't call me James wrote:
@Lucifer wrote: You don't have quality individuals at back


Stopped reading at this.


I don't believe you. I'm absolutely certain you kept reading.

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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Lucifer on Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:20 pm

he did alright.
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Re: Goals Conceded || Otherwise known as 'Who's fault is it?'

Post by Don't call me James on Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:29 pm

@Lucifer wrote:Ya let's agree to disagree then. Btw can we have stats of opposition shots allowed on target per game, I think that is good test to see if there is improvement as the season goes on.


Liverpool are top 3 in Europe with Juve and Bayern at allowing the least amount of shots on target.

We are very good at defending from open play.

Our achilles heel has been set pieces and some odd dumbass mistakes by Matip's partners (Lucas and Lovren).

https://my.mixtape.moe/oyleda.mp4
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Post by Lucifer on Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:35 pm

Never in my wildest dreams would have I guessed that Liverpool are top 3 in Europe in least amount of shots conceded on target. That is good indicator though, it means the goals are conceded primarily due to individual brainfarts which can be easily sort out.
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Post by Don't call me James on Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:57 pm

Also note that 5 of the goals in the league came without Matip in the first 2 games of the season.

We've improved massively since he's come in on that end.

And 7 of the goals were conceded with Moreno starting and many of them he's directly or indirectly a culprit of.

Moreno is benched and hopefully and doesn't get that many starts for the rest of the season. He doesn't have a single defensive cell in his body. He adds so much panic to the defense just with his sheer presence, it's a nightmare.

Milner-Matip-XXX-Clyne has been a very good backline. Lovren and Lucas have been decent partners for Matip overall outside of their occasional brainfarts and the will do for this season. And Klavan imo defensively is even more sound than those two but he's not as good on the ball as Lucas/Lovren. But if we did have a better partner for Matip, we'd be even better defensively (hoping for Van Dijk from Soton).

Clyne alongside Bellerin are the by far runaway the 2 best RBs in the league. Nobody else comes close imo.

Milner has been a revelation at LB. Specially what he adds offensively. Defensively he's decent-solid (in other words much better than Moreno). But offensively he's the best LB in the league. Pretty much a winger that works hard to help the defense out. He's one of the main reasons which allows Coutinho to play and drift wherever he wants and not be stuck on the left wing.

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Post by Don't call me James on Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:03 pm

Lucifer here:

This is total shots conceded per game. We're best in the league at this as well.



Shots on target it's even less obviously.

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Post by El Gunner on Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:45 pm

@Don't call me James wrote:Also note that 5 of the goals in the league came without Matip in the first 2 games of the season.

We've improved massively since he's come in on that end.

And 7 of the goals were conceded with Moreno starting and many of them he's directly or indirectly a culprit of.

Moreno is benched and hopefully and doesn't get that many starts for the rest of the season. He doesn't have a single defensive cell in his body. He adds so much panic to the defense just with his sheer presence, it's a nightmare.

Milner-Matip-XXX-Clyne has been a very good backline. Lovren and Lucas have been decent partners for Matip overall outside of their occasional brainfarts and the will do for this season. And Klavan imo defensively is even more sound than those two but he's not as good on the ball as Lucas/Lovren. But if we did have a better partner for Matip, we'd be even better defensively (hoping for Van Dijk from Soton).

Clyne alongside Bellerin are the by far runaway the 2 best RBs in the league. Nobody else comes close imo.

Milner has been a revelation at LB. Specially what he adds offensively. Defensively he's decent-solid (in other words much better than Moreno). But offensively he's the best LB in the league. Pretty much a winger that works hard to help the defense out. He's one of the main reasons which allows Coutinho to play and drift wherever he wants and not be stuck on the left wing.

3 of those 5 came from the Gunners el Chapo

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Post by Helmer on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:19 pm

Only three sides—Arsenal ( 8 ), Chelsea (7) and Spurs (7) have conceded fewer Premier League goals than LFC since Joel Matip's debut (9).

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Post by Don't call me James on Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:48 pm

Best CB in the league. It's very funny that some idiots refuse to believe me in this.

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Post by El Gunner on Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:56 pm

What about that stat supports that claim of yours?
If anything that stat says that there are three other teams with CBs more viable of that status.

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Post by Don't call me James on Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:58 pm

I don't care about the stats. It's the eye test.

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