UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by windkick on Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:51 am

IDk man, I don't think Umtiti is a god or even great, but I also don't think he's nearly as terrible as your making him out to be. I think for a guy that just turned 23 and is halfway into his first season at a huge club he is doing just fine. Most CB's don't peak until mid-late 20's anyway, so I bet that by next season he will improve even further. I think a big reason that he has been under attack is because the midfields formation is leaving wayy too many gaps with the fullbacks constantly caught out of position or just plain bad at defending. Making Pique/Umtiti/Ter Stegen work way harder than they should if the alignment of the team was better and tighter.

All in all the two CB's we should sell in the summer are Mathieu and Masch. We can easily get rid of those 2 and replace them with 1 solid CB. Pique and Umtiti are fine imo and aren't the issue.

Sergi I don't mind as a back up RB, but we definitely need a legit RB to actually come in to the team.  Either that or make Vidal the back up RB as he offers more in attack and just use Sergi as a back up CDM next season. Sergi was by far the worse player of the back 4 against PSG, dude's just not fast enough, and good enough at defending on the wing and looked nervous and scared to make mistakes. He is a midfielder playing out of position and it shows.

I think we need to get Busq's invovled more. I read an article about how he used to get a ton of more touches and be a vital piece until Lucho arrived and made the build up go up the flanks and not down the center, thus drastically reducing Busq's role. IF used right, Busq's is a HUGE component, but Lucho can't seem to figure out how to get our midfield to work. I remember even last year we were getting ran down by teams like Celta, it was wild, and here we are a year later and Lucho still hasn't learn and if anything it looks like the team is gradually regressing and not progressing. Seems since like midway last season we just fell off a gear and haven't been able to get back to our best and instead just getting by more so on our great players doing something rather than Lucho actually improving things.

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by danyjr on Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:36 am

Agreed with windkick on everything Thumbs up

But on the subject of Busquets, other that ancient tactics employed by Luis Enrique there is also the fact that it is much more difficult to build up through the middle of the park. Personally, I think Barcelona don't have the personnel to do that any more. Rakitić isn't exactly the type of player you'd want in tight places (you'd need a Modrić/Verratti type) and also defenders (apart from Piqué) aren't as good as bringing the ball out as, say the Alves-Piqué-Mascherano-Abidal backline.

All in all, you'd either need a change in personnel or in tactics.

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Post by BarcaLearning on Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:42 pm

Pretty sure the next manager needs to bring in a new system of some sorts into order to suit our existing/new players coming in, rather than going back and trying to replicate anything like Tika Taka. Only Pep with the players he is starting to bring together at Man C can play like that if you know what I mean, for Barca, its time to move on.
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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by Harmonica on Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:54 pm

@free_cat wrote:Umtiti's defending is nothing extraordinary, he was also poor vs Leganes and in the Copa game. The fact that we've won 13 games in the league with him, only mean's he's played against fodder. As it was shown vs PSG.
14/14 with Umtiti in Liga and pre-assisted the winner against Atletico.

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by free_cat on Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:26 am

@Harmonica wrote:
@free_cat wrote:Umtiti's defending is nothing extraordinary, he was also poor vs Leganes and in the Copa game. The fact that we've won 13 games in the league with him, only mean's he's played against fodder. As it was shown vs PSG.
14/14 with Umtiti in Liga and pre-assisted the winner against Atletico.


Yeah, and he was marking badly and outjumped by Godin in Atletico's goal.

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Post by danyjr on Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:33 pm

@free_cat wrote:Yeah, and he was marking badly and outjumped by Godin in Atletico's goal.

Actually you're completely wrong this time round. If marking was done zonally then it is Busquets who got outjumped by Godín, not Umtiti.

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by free_cat on Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:52 am

@danyjr wrote:
@free_cat wrote:Yeah, and he was marking badly and outjumped by Godin in Atletico's goal.

Actually you're completely wrong this time round. If marking was done zonally then it is Busquets who got outjumped by Godín, not Umtiti.


It's umtiti who is on Godin when he heads the ball.

Anyway, I don't know why I'm debating about the football quality of a player with someone who said PSG was weak and we would destroy them.

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Post by danyjr on Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:55 pm

@free_cat wrote:Anyway, I don't know why I'm debating about the football quality of a player with someone who said PSG was weak and we would destroy them.


:facepalm:

Never said that.

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by free_cat on Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:12 am

@danyjr wrote:
@free_cat wrote:Anyway, I don't know why I'm debating about the football quality of a player with someone who said PSG was weak and we would destroy them.


:facepalm:

Never said that.


Sorry, you are right, I confused you for Farfan's "bllodbath".

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by sportsczy on Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:35 pm



Actually no. Busquets was marking him and got pushed (which is why he rushes towards the official after the goal). Umtiti was defending another player and reacted to the ball to help.

In any case, Godin was well marked. That's nobody's fault. Not sure how you can say anyone got beat "badly".

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by Myesyats on Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:31 pm

Bashing Umtiti for not keeping a world class header of the ball in pocket even when it was not his job at that moment

Thats prime biased Free Cat.
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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by farfan on Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:36 pm

@free_cat wrote:
@danyjr wrote:
@free_cat wrote:Anyway, I don't know why I'm debating about the football quality of a player with someone who said PSG was weak and we would destroy them.


:facepalm:

Never said that.


Sorry, you are right, I confused you for Farfan's "bllodbath".


I wasn't wrong. :coffee:
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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by free_cat on Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:50 am

@sportsczy wrote:

Actually no.  Busquets was marking him and got pushed (which is why he rushes towards the official after the goal).  Umtiti was defending another player and reacted to the ball to help.

In any case, Godin was well marked.  That's nobody's fault.  Not sure how you can say anyone got beat "badly".


Oh, so now markings are done in front of players instead of behind, as always.

Thanks for pointing out eh foul though.

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by Myesyats on Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:16 pm

Suarez: "If we can score four goals against Madrid at Bernabeu, why can't we score four against PSG at the Camp Nou?" #fcblive [onda cero]

good point, it's all in your legs luisito
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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by free_cat on Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:28 am

Sure, we can score four.
But they will score too. Celta had three clear cut chances. PSG won't miss them.
We have a 5% to go through, at most.

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by Lucifer on Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:07 pm

I have strong feeling that we will turn this around. Might as well bet it for 1 week sig if anyone is interested.
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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by free_cat on Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:55 pm

@Lucifer wrote:I have strong feeling that we will turn this around. Might as well bet it for 1 week sig if anyone is interested.


Done.

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by free_cat on Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:00 pm

What should be our line up?

I'd go with something like:

Ter Stegen
Roberto Piqué Mascherano Alba
Rafinha Busquets Rakitic Neymar
Messi - Suarez


If we had Vidal, I'd definitely play him to give more attack.

We could consider playing Denis or Rafinha as RB and Iniesta in the right side... a bit crazy, but then again, we need crazy.


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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by windkick on Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:44 pm

I'd role this out.

---------Ter Stegen
Sergi--Pique--Umtiti--Alba
---Rafinha-Busq-Iniesta
Messi---Suarez---Neymar

Rakitic on for Rafinha
Denis on for Iniesta (only if Iniesta slows down)
Masch only on if we somehow get the 4 goals and need help preventing any further damage. No one else on the bench would get a nod.

Or I mean if there is like 20 mins left and you hit the panic button...

---------Ter Stegen
Sergi--Pique--Umtiti--Alba
---------Busquets
-Rafinha-------D.Suarez
-----------Messi
-----Suarez---Neymar

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by serghei_ro on Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:31 pm

For us to have any reasonable chance of at least getting near a 4-0 win, we must start really strong. Like vs. AC Milan strong. If we somehow manage to score in the first 10 mins. we can then ease off the pedal a bit for 15-20 mins and play with more calm, while still looking for a 2-0 at HT.
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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by danyjr on Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:40 pm

@danyjr wrote:
@free_cat wrote:Anyway, I don't know why I'm debating about the football quality of a player with someone who said PSG was weak and we would destroy them.


:facepalm:

Never said that.


It was me who said it Laughing

Spoiler:
jk but I wish I did Laughing

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Post by Myesyats on Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:54 pm

@serghei_ro wrote:For us to have any reasonable chance of at least getting near a 4-0 win, we must start really strong. Like vs. AC Milan strong. If we somehow manage to score in the first 10 mins. we can then ease off the pedal a bit for 15-20 mins and play with more calm, while still looking for a 2-0 at HT.

We did score in the 3rd minute! It happened.
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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by free_cat on Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:59 am

@free_cat wrote:
I'm pretty sure we'll prorgess, not so easily as winning them 0-3 at their home as last time though.


In the end I was right. Though I never believed it possible after the first leg. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

We played well, but we were infinitely lucky yesterday. You need the luck.

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by farfan on Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:04 am

It's my prediction that was right ffs Laughing

It was an overall bloodbath with Barça progressing.
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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by free_cat on Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:15 am

You can look it anyway you want, but this wasn't a bloodbath.

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Re: UCL R16 - Paris St Germain [Leg 1/2 Discussion]

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:16 pm

So now that we are all a bit more calmed down, what did everyone think of the 352?

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