Can we admit that Wenger is a specialist in failure?

Hey guys, can we all now admit that the great Arsene Wenger is a specialist in failure. He has not won a league for like 10 years & will probably never ever win.

The guy is over - Arsenal need to get rid of him - Look at him crying & cribbing & giving excuses after every loss - He has a stupid reason to justify all failures - This guy is a worse whiner than Mourinho. Every dog has a life, after a while if it is suffering & old, you have to take it to the woods & not let it suffer.

Come let us admit - "Wenger - A specialist in failure"

Blame Ref for loss, a game which Arsenal should have finished way back "On top of that the decisions went against us. The two goals are two offside goals and, in a game of that stature, I feel that enough is enough because we got some bad decisions throughout the season.

"The second one is five yards offside. The first one is still offside. But what can I do?

Blame Fatigue & schedule "We have to live with that and look at ourselves and analyse why we lost the game. It's difficult because we've played four games out of five away from home, we had a very short recovery from Saturday to Tuesday after we had already played in Basel,"

Say the opponent deserved to lose/played badly/didn't create chances (Delusional) "They didn't create many chances. You can see we dropped a bit physically and it allowed us to press us more and win balls back.

Blame CHL & lie about about playing well to change narrative & gain sympathy "It's a horrible week but it's part of the season. What is horrible is that we knew it was a difficult week because we had the Champions League game before that, but we had control in every game."

Yeah right! Incredibly strong mentality!!! "But the mentality is strong and we have to respond now."

Source of quotes - Goal.com

There's nothing failure about being the manager of a top club for 20 years. They recently won two FA cups, which is well done, too.

He's a good manager, but lately his biggest strengths - his transfers and development of players - have been unusually off target and it's starting to show. He's always spotted good players very very well and coached young ones through the academy successfully, too, so that they've emerged good enough to play for Arsenal.

But now, the latest young players coming into the senior team are guys like Coquelin and Iwobi and Holding. Okay players, but hardly your Fabregases and Walcotts. Bellerin is the only exciting young player in the Arsenal team and usually they've had more than one.

More importantly, though, his latest transfers don't seem as good as they usually are. Xhaka has been start-and-stop. Lucas Perez, haven't really seen him. Mustafi's OK, I guess, but will he turn out as good as signing Koscielny some, what 6-7 years ago? Obviously he did really well to get Sanchez and Özil a few years back, but normally Wenger has been able to find decent players and turn some of them into really good ones, but that hasn't been happening lately.

He's lost his magic touch a bit when it comes to assembling the squad and that's the main thing that's hurting the club right now.

goal.com is Real Madrid mouthpiece, I won't be reading it.

You're a bit late

Beta male, inept leader and obsolete tactician.

Arsenal have big name recognition throughout the world. They have one of the highest overall wage budgets in the world (Top 10). They have one of the highest ticket prices (the supporters are getting ripped off).

Arsene Wenger is on a humongous 10M odd wage in his new/last contract. Arsenal get huge TV revenue by being in the EPL.

Let us admit that then "Wenger is a specialist in failure" if he keeps failing every time!

There is no "we" here.

You can do whatever the *bleep* you want.

But I surely won't join in such absolute nonsense.

Hapless_Hans wrote:There is no "we" here.

You can do whatever the *bleep* you want.

But I surely won't join in such absolute nonsense.

Why not?

footyfan01 wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:There is no "we" here.

You can do whatever the *bleep* you want.

But I surely won't join in such absolute nonsense.

Why not?

Maybe because its a typical GL reaction thread

Maybe because main man Hans forms his own opinions and will stay humble until after Bayern removes Arsenal from the CL

Maybe it is untrue

Maybe there is even more reasons to consider

Or maybe because it is being discussed in 23 other threads including Girl related one.

Hapless_Hans wrote:There is no "we" here.

You can do whatever the *bleep* you want.

But I surely won't join in such absolute nonsense.

Your Sig is fantastic.

Wenger lost away to a good club. Nothing new.

Yea nothing new here, as I always said, as long as Wenger is incharge Arsenal wont win the league again Hes just got some fatal weaknesses that he never fixed, and his teams are pretty much always the same what u get year in year out.

Imagine how many things happened in football since Arsenal won a title.
Juve went from Serie B to winning 5 titles in a row, Atletico won a title against Barca and Real, Napoli went from Serie C to being a title contender, Sevilla won god knows how many Europa Leagues ... Spain won 2 euros and 1 world cup, even Liverpool looks back on track.

Arsenal has such a bad mentality to keep this fraud. Coaches like Conte, Klopp, Pep, Ranieri who had 0 experience in the EPL built better teams in no time.

Any decent coach would've won a title in this period having the conditions that Arsenal have.

He's not a failure, nothing points to him being a failure. Its just that his time is up and he needs to retire before he becomes a villain.

Look! Even Mourinho is adapting to Conte and Klopp

When you've been watching Conte and Klopp pic.twitter.com/3ZrBPUpAij

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Ion Creanga wrote:Imagine how many things happened in football since Arsenal won a title.
Juve went from Serie B to winning 5 titles in a row, Atletico won a title against Barca and Real, Napoli went from Serie C to being a title contender, Sevilla won god knows how many Europa Leagues ... Spain won 2 euros and 1 world cup, even Liverpool looks back on track.

Arsenal has such a bad mentality to keep this fraud. Coaches like Conte, Klopp, Pep, Ranieri who had 0 experience in the EPL built better teams in no time.

Any decent coach would've won a title in this period having the conditions that Arsenal have.

@Ion you are using examples of teams that are maximum 1.5 years old, And i'd bet my house if any of them last more than 5 years in their current teams.

All the examples you use are from different leagues, Which is basically apples and oranges.

They don't justify Wenger being a failure in any sense.

who should i compare him to? Ferguson?

(Sorry Fergie)

Ferguson is an ideal scenario, The one we ignore. Wenger would be a specialist in failure infront of him

Arsenal doesn't have a bad mentality to keep Wenger, they have loyalty to a club legend who has built this modern, successful Arsenal team singlehandedly. Legendary manager and his success speaks for himself. Specialty in failure

What's next, Liverpool isn't an historic club because they've been shite the last 6 years?

Is it time for him to go? I've been thinking as much since the start of last season. Hopefully Arsenal and Arsene can part ways in a mutually beneficial fashion.

CBarca wrote:Arsenal doesn't have a bad mentality to keep Wenger, they have loyalty to a club legend who has built this modern, successful Arsenal team singlehandedly. Legendary manager and his success speaks for himself. Specialty in failure

What's next, Liverpool isn't an historic club because they've been shite the last 6 years?

Is it time for him to go? I've been thinking as much since the start of last season. Hopefully Arsenal and Arsene can part ways in a mutually beneficial fashion.

Whaat? He's been coaching Arsenal for 20 years, and last 12 years he hasn't won a single title

It's not even comparable to Liverpool who's history it's over 100 years and last 10 years or so, are bad.

I'm going to just exit this thread, I fundamentally disagree with the people here too much on this.

I don't mind people saying "Wenger out" and saying he's lost the plot, he's past it etc that's fair. I can't abide by anyone saying he's a "specialist in failure" though.

Ion Creanga wrote:

CBarca wrote:Arsenal doesn't have a bad mentality to keep Wenger, they have loyalty to a club legend who has built this modern, successful Arsenal team singlehandedly. Legendary manager and his success speaks for himself. Specialty in failure

What's next, Liverpool isn't an historic club because they've been shite the last 6 years?

Is it time for him to go? I've been thinking as much since the start of last season. Hopefully Arsenal and Arsene can part ways in a mutually beneficial fashion.

Whaat? He's been coaching Arsenal for 20 years, and last 12 years he hasn't won a single title

He won 2 FA Cups and one Community Shield in the last three years.

Unless your definitions of a failure are very strict I.E not consistently winning the league then no he's not a failure. Perennial underachiever? Yeah, particularly after last season what a chance that was.

Does he lack ambition? Sure

Is he an elite coach? Nah

Failure is pushing it. Failures don't consistently finish in the top handful of places in a top league every season and qualify for the CL knockouts.

Ion Creanga wrote:

CBarca wrote:Arsenal doesn't have a bad mentality to keep Wenger, they have loyalty to a club legend who has built this modern, successful Arsenal team singlehandedly. Legendary manager and his success speaks for himself. Specialty in failure

What's next, Liverpool isn't an historic club because they've been shite the last 6 years?

Is it time for him to go? I've been thinking as much since the start of last season. Hopefully Arsenal and Arsene can part ways in a mutually beneficial fashion.

Whaat? He's been coaching Arsenal for 20 years, and last 12 years he hasn't won a single title

It's not even comparable to Liverpool who's history it's over 100 years and last 10 years or so, are bad.

He hasn't won the league in 12 years, we have won titles since.

If you're just referring to league titles which I am guessing you are I don't understand how you fit only "the last 10 years or so" seeing as they last won a league 26 years ago, when the PL didn't even exist.

We've been in the top division nearly 100 years straight, 40+ more years than Liverpool and have been a successful club throughout our history.

Arsenal didn't start 20 years ago thanks.

Is Wenger a specialist in failure? No, let's get some perspective, he has underachieved by a fair amount because a man of his quality should have won the league more often.

Why? Because he is better than 90% of the other guys, and built better squads that got close to winning in that time. Doesn't sound like someone who specialises in failure, it sounds like underachieving.

Some throw away comment Maureen made in retaliation to the fact that clubs/players usually can't stand him after 3 years

I will always defend his time from 2006-2012 despite the lack of league titles, because of the clubs expectations that time -- we were in transition and were not expected to win a lot (fans expectations are different, we fans always expect trophies no matter what). Despite limited funds (less money spent than Stoke City, let alone other big clubs) Wenger managed to make his teams competitive but falling short because of young and inexperienced squad.

But I can't find any excuses for his last 4 years when Arsenal were finally able to sign world class or near world class players (and not sell anyone important either), same as everyone else. In my opinion Wenger shouldn't be offered a new contract unless he finally makes the step up and wins a big trophy this season.

He lost it.

urbaNRoots wrote:I will always defend his time from 2006-2012 despite the lack of league titles, because of the clubs expectations that time -- we were in transition and were not expected to win a lot (fans expectations are different, we fans always expect trophies no matter what). Despite limited funds (less money spent than Stoke City, let alone other big clubs) Wenger managed to make his teams competitive but falling short because of young and inexperienced squad.

But I can't find any excuses for his last 4 years when Arsenal were finally able to sign world class or near world class players (and not sell anyone important either), same as everyone else. In my opinion Wenger shouldn't be offered a new contract unless he finally makes the step up and wins a big trophy this season.

Touché.

He's lost it.

Specialist in failure is desperate for a new deal

The long-serving Gunners boss may be out of contract next year but will not rush into signing an extension, stating he is ready to wait till the final stages of the season to do so

"I always said that I will judge where I stand in spring and make my decisions then," the 67-year-old told reporters.

"The club is free as well. It's not because I am here a long time that I have any rights. We are both on the same boat."

"There are plenty of managers who arrived at the end of their contract. It happened to me before," Wenger said.

"I signed sometimes in March, April for longer contracts. So I don't think it's a problem."