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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by zigra on Tue May 23, 2017 10:54 am

@sportsczy wrote:
@Firenze wrote:has Grizzy ever performed in a big match? Sanchez is surrounded by the likes of Welbeck, Monreal and Coquelin and still carries the team in the PL with impressive numbers. Griez has played for a top 3-4 team in the world the last few years. hmm

I'll take him begrudgingly, I only really have an issue with the price tag, 100m for him, madness.

You're joking right.  Remember the Bayern Munich goals in the CL semis last year?  Do you remember EVERY SINGLE France NT elimination game bar the Final (most were dead because the Germany semi was only 48 hours before where he scored a brace)?  He scored the second most goals in a Euro EVER with Platini being the only one ahead of him (1984 Euro).

You would think that some live in a cave here ffs.


Technicalities :coffee:
Did he score in a CL/Euro final? Case closed IMO

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by sportsczy on Tue May 23, 2017 10:55 am

How about the goal to get a draw at the Bernabeu this year?

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue May 23, 2017 11:54 am

According to Fred Hermel on RMC, Atletico are not worried about losing Griezmann this summer, and they were expecting him to talk in the medias.

he is saying that Griezmann and Atletico are negotiating an extension, and Griezmann wants to get paid, hence why you hear in the media that United want to double his wages. So he is playing hardball with Atletico to get as much as money as possible with the extension.

United being used as a cheap whore basically, stay strong Fi

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Blue on Tue May 23, 2017 11:55 am

https://twitter.com/squawka/status/866723587029295104

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Firenze on Tue May 23, 2017 12:00 pm

Alexis overall game definitely isn't that good, reminds me of Ronaldo's transformation at Madrid, became an elite goal scorer but the rest of his game regressed

w/e though, I hope Griez is just trying to get more money..something tells me this story has legs though ffs

WAtch us spend the entire summer chasing him and still miss out
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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Glory on Tue May 23, 2017 4:52 pm

Meh. Even if this one fails to materialize, wont lose sleep. Moreover we are going to overpay massively isnt it?! Laughing Pay 100m for someone, play him out of position and then watch him fail. Its becoming a pattern now.
And Mourinho has regressed so much so that he is now actively banking on Galactico signings every summer so that he can 'buy' titles and save his arse. :facepalm:
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Post by ExtremistEnigma on Tue May 23, 2017 5:36 pm

@Glory wrote:Meh. Even if this one fails to materialize, wont lose sleep. Moreover we are going to overpay massively isnt it?! Laughing Pay 100m for someone, play him out of position and then watch him fail. Its becoming a pattern now.
And Mourinho has regressed so much so that he is now actively banking on Galactico signings every summer so that he can 'buy' titles and save his arse. :facepalm:

Or maybe your squad quality and mentality is utter garbage. Three managers have failed to "improve" it now.
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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Glory on Tue May 23, 2017 6:24 pm

Ofc, when have I said our squad is good? Its not about buying Griezmann. Its about buying Griezmann (that too by paying insane money) when he is not even the kind of player we desperate need at the moment.

Look at what Conte did last summer at Chelsea. Which big club would take a gamble on guys like Luiz and Alonso. Ofc Kante was legit before that. And thats the difference between someone who has got a 'plan' and someone who is you know... just trying to throw money with the hope of getting the problems fixed.

Just buy a CF, a winger, a CB and a DM and we will be ready to go. Instead what these incompetent jokers are focussing on are AMs and SSs.
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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed May 24, 2017 5:20 am

This guy needs to stop talking nonsense in the press, saying how he wants to win titles lmao. How about next time you play a final you actually deliver like the so called superstar you claim to be. How about you don't miss pks and open chances? How about you actually do the winning of trophies, he sounds like Atletico did not Put him in positions to actually win trophies lmao. But he wants to join Manchester and play the Europa league?

Turning into a *bleep*, never wanted him in Madrid I want him even less now

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by sportsczy on Wed May 24, 2017 5:27 am

They didn't.  You had 3 DMs, Koke, Carrasco and Torres/Gameiro as his attacking partners.

All the elite teams had to do was wedge against Grizzy and count on the others to play to their level... only time he wasn't specifically targeted via tactics was Pep at Bayern (Pep doesn't do that) and we all know what happened there.

Again, the Euro final was 48 hours after the tough semis v Germany.  All the French players were dead come the 50 min mark lol.

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed May 24, 2017 5:30 am

All I can read are excuses, winning by definition means overcoming adversity. He has flopped catastrophically in finals recently, and now he acts like Atletico did not give him a chance to win. I find him very pathetic just my 2 cents

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by sportsczy on Wed May 24, 2017 5:32 am

Once Arda Turan left, the attack was very one dimensional at Atleti. At least with Turan, you had both Koke and Turan to set up Costa.

To be fair, I don't think Carrasco developed quite as much as Atleti had hoped and Oliver Torres never developed. These were supposed to be the ones to pick up the slack.

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by CBarca on Wed May 24, 2017 5:33 am

Agree a bit with Nick here tbh

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by sportsczy on Wed May 24, 2017 5:33 am

Overcoming no WC players next to you is impossible.  Suarez couldn't overcome it at Liverpool, just as an example.  He did great... but the team didn't win trophies.  Against the elite, one guy can't do it.

Remember thinking Suarez was a big game flop... when in fact, he never had a chance in big games for the same reason Griezmann doesn't at Atleti.  Elite teams can take away 1-2 players easily. And to be fair, Griezmann has done plenty well in big games despite this massive handicap.

You put Suarez at Barca where he has incredible support... that big game flop myth went away.

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed May 24, 2017 5:39 am

You are telling me that a team that reached the final, went to pks once, lost in extra time the other time, and then went to euro finals after destroying Germany had no chance because of *bleep* arda turan? Sports remove the frenchie hat for a minute. They were good enough to win it all but they lost it all, and Griezmann did not do enough to prevent that

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by rincon on Wed May 24, 2017 5:42 am

Spanish league title, 2 cl finals in 3 years but Atleti (and France) weren't good enough to be able to win. Seems legit.
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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by sportsczy on Wed May 24, 2017 5:58 am

The issue isn't that Rincon... team is getting very old (Godin, Felipe Luis, Juanfran, Gabi, etc.) and Atleti aren't doing all the well in the transfer market lately. Given their style of play and how physical it is... getting old is a bigger problem than usual too.

Unless some of their gambles and youth start paying off big...  the golden era is well on its way of being over.

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Doc on Wed May 24, 2017 6:07 am

So the 2 big chances he had respectfully in both finals which he missed/squandered plus his rather lame performances in both matches were down to teammates?

Not that I'm calling him a big game flop since he actually did well in the UCL semis, quarters and most of Euros.

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by rincon on Wed May 24, 2017 6:18 am

Im not calling him a big game flop either, its just that this argument of blaming his performances in finals on his teammates doesn't hold up. Or the whole Arda Turan thing.
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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Firenze on Wed May 24, 2017 6:20 am

when you reach the final nobody remembers the semi, quarters etc..they only remember the performance in the big game

and I've never seen him deliver in one
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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by sportsczy on Wed May 24, 2017 6:36 am

Who blamed his final performances on teammates?  I'm pointing out that, because he is the only WC player on Atleti except maybe Godin, he can't have anything other than a superior game.  

The Euro final issue was fatigue (like Pogba, Matuidi and Koscielny).  The CL final issues were that Madrid just had far more talent than Atleti so any mistake by Griezmann wasn't going to be overcome.  He's not Zidane or Messi.  Grizzy is not a top 20 player of all time.  Yet, he's being asked to handle the burden of that type of superstar.  I think his move is about him understanding his limitations.

Imagine if CR didn't have WC teammates to save his arse in all the finals over the years, as an example.  The fact that both Man U and Real Madrid won those games saved CR the criticism and got him trophies.

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Post by rincon on Wed May 24, 2017 6:52 am

France played 72 hours after an extra time game and lost against Portugal in the 2016 final in France.

Greece played 72 hours after an extra time game and beat Portugal in the 2004 final in Portugal.

Charisteas>Griezmann confirmed :coffee:
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed May 24, 2017 6:58 am

in both CL finals Atletico looked the part and wee competitive. Making them sound like they are talentless scrub that never stood a chance now is a bit disengenious... all to protect Griezmann. Man it's not even working, personally I respect you a lot but those arguments are more excuses to defend him

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Doc on Wed May 24, 2017 8:59 am

The same Atletico that KO'd a very good Barcelona and Bayern side all of sudden were "way less talented" than a Madrid team that unconvinced their way (according to quite a few people) into a final?

As far as being disingenuous goes, I think that is as bad as it gets.

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed May 24, 2017 9:06 am

@Mr Nick09 wrote:in both CL finals Atletico looked the part and wee competitive. Making them sound like they are talentless scrub that never stood a chance now is a bit disengenious... all to protect Griezmann. Man it's not even working, personally I respect you a lot but those arguments are more excuses to defend him


I never watched the 2nd CL final but the first Atletico should have won tbh.

They fell apart from Luis got injured and had to play Alderweireld at LB, then Ramos scored in the last minute and the rest is history.

Absolutely ridiculous to say they weren't good enough lol.

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Re: Antoine Griezmann transfer speculation

Post by Valkyrja on Wed May 31, 2017 11:00 am

It's GriezmON

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