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Post by Kaladin on Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:10 pm

He's not going to United, Bale has been booked already and he will take the #11 shirt and succeed Giggs

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Post by Firenze on Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:10 pm

I disagree tbh, Atletico have been on the decline the last couple of seasons IMO, noticeably. (no denying they have been way more relevant in europe than we have the last decade though)

I think that right now we are better than them, as in this season and I think the future isn't too bright for Atletico, they've had their moment to shine and peaked.

On paper their team isn't amazing, I don't think the majority of their players would start for us. I think it's the opposite in that Simeone elevates a lot of them in his system and Mourinho gimps the majority of our players who aren't suited to his playstyle.

I don't think you can really say that Atletico have been better than us this season based on any real merit.

Not that I think we're far ahead of them or anything. Knocked out of the CL groups. Not looked great in the EL. Knocked out by Sevilla in the Copa over two legs (no shame in that, Sevilla have that 'eritage)

Yes, they're second by a few points in the table and have been all season (I think? kinda mirrors us in that regard)

We're in a cup final, reached the CL knockouts, have strong wins against elite opposition in the PL this season.

This is turning into a rambling rant (good job S) because I felt disrespected by people thinking Atletico are a better team than us this season. At worst Griezmann moving to us would be a sideways step. I think our future is brighter.
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Post by S on Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:15 pm

@Kaladin wrote:He's not going to United, Bale has been booked already and he will take the #11 shirt and succeed Giggs


What's up with that sig hmm
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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:25 pm

@Firenze wrote:I disagree tbh, Atletico have been on the decline the last couple of seasons IMO, noticeably. (no denying they have been way more relevant in europe than we have the last decade though)

I think that right now we are better than them, as in this season and I think the future isn't too bright for Atletico, they've had their moment to shine and peaked.

On paper their team isn't amazing, I don't think the majority of their players would start for us. I think it's the opposite in that Simeone elevates a lot of them in his system and Mourinho gimps the majority of our players who aren't suited to his playstyle.

I don't think you can really say that Atletico have been better than us this season based on any real merit.

Not that I think we're far ahead of them or anything. Knocked out of the CL groups. Not looked great in the EL. Knocked out by Sevilla in the Copa over two legs (no shame in that, Sevilla have that 'eritage)

Yes, they're second by a few points in the table and have been all season (I think? kinda mirrors us in that regard)

We're in a cup final, reached the CL knockouts, have strong wins against elite opposition in the PL this season.

This is turning into a rambling rant (good job S) because I felt disrespected by people thinking Atletico are a better team than us this season. At worst Griezmann moving to us would be a sideways step. I think our future is brighter.

I definitely didn't mean to disrespect you in any way, so if you felt I was, please accept my sincere apologies.

I still stand by my statement though, I truly think you haven't done enough to even be mentioned in the same breathe as Atlético who have been knocking elite teams in Europe year after year, doing the unthinkable and going neck and neck with Madrid and Barcelona - something that is worthy of tremendous respect and shouldn't be overlooked nor taken lightly.

I do agree with you though, the financial power that United has and Atlético lacks makes your future brighter than theirs. I also agree that Simeone's brilliance and Mourinho's incompetence play a huge role in making or breaking the squad. But the manager is also part of the team, right? That's just another area where Atlético beats you.

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Post by Unique on Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:16 pm

@Firenze wrote:
@Unique wrote:Frenzy is like one of them kids that ask for a PS4 every Christmas but ends up with a Brussel sprout. Laughing


..We've signed a superstar every season since Moyes left at this point. This summer will be no different and Griezmann makes the most sense. So quite the opposite, I expect a PS4 every season and get one. :coffee: although in Sanchez' case it was a PS4 box with a PS2 inside. Laughing
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:27 pm

According to LEquipe, Barca want another go at this melt, 120 mil until the summer when the clause goes up to 200 mil.

they want to take advantage of Atletico flopping

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Post by Doc on Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:37 pm

Big fan of his but I still don't see the point of Griezmann at Barcelona.

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Post by Lucifer on Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:39 pm

@Doc wrote:Big fan of his but I still don't see the point of Griezmann at Barcelona.

We are desperately searching for Suarez successor for some time now. Given the available sample size, it actually makes sense.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:41 pm

Griezmann is not a center forward, so no it does not make sense

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Post by Doc on Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:50 pm

What Nick wrote and also, Suarez is as complete as a forward as you can get. Griezmann really flourishes with a hold up forward as a focal point and he plays off. Paired together, I could see some legit stress those two can cause but if it is a replacement, um, I guess it can work out.

Still don't see the point but I get it. Sign the talent and let the manager figure that shit out.

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Post by Don't call me James on Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:50 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:Griezmann is not a center forward, so no it does not make sense


Meh traditional center forward is not the end all be all of football nowadays. Look at how much Lewandowski stunk up the place against Liverpool. Without proper support traditional number 9s like Lewandowski are nearly useless. Bayern could have used someone like Griezmann or Firmino playing CF instead of Lewandowski in that tie.

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Post by Myesyats on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:00 pm

Great player, terrible attitude. Would rather pass but it's likely to happen.
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Post by sportsczy on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:08 pm

Griezmann in the middle is USELESS in the long run. He can play there in very specific situations (park the bus and counter) and in an emergency. But his skillset and physical makeup aren't suited for a central striker role... like not at all.

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Post by M99 on Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:02 am

Thought Barca is getting that discount Bundesfodder Piatek, aka Jovic.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:23 am

@Don't call me James wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:Griezmann is not a center forward, so no it does not make sense


Meh traditional center forward is not the end all be all of football nowadays. Look at how much Lewandowski stunk up the place against Liverpool. Without proper support traditional number 9s like Lewandowski are nearly useless. Bayern could have used someone like Griezmann or Firmino playing CF instead of Lewandowski in that tie.


You honestly dare to go there?

GTFO man

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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:29 am

@M99 wrote:Thought Barca is getting that discount Bundesfodder Piatek, aka Jovic.

They're being linked to everybody. No idea where all this money is coming from. They have already spent a truckload and from the looks of it, they're going to spend even more next summer.

I just hope they leave somebody for us to sign Laughing

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:35 am

Jovic will join neither Barca nor Real, I can confidently predict.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:48 am

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Don't call me James wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:Griezmann is not a center forward, so no it does not make sense


Meh traditional center forward is not the end all be all of football nowadays. Look at how much Lewandowski stunk up the place against Liverpool. Without proper support traditional number 9s like Lewandowski are nearly useless. Bayern could have used someone like Griezmann or Firmino playing CF instead of Lewandowski in that tie.


You honestly dare to go there?

GTFO man


Laughing Besides that wasn't Bayern's issue, more that their was zero urgency or tempo and their pass to Ribery hope he does something tactic.

Wouldn't have made a damn difference who was upfront, they were giving the ball up 30 yards from goal.
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Post by Doc on Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:21 pm

@Don't call me James wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:Griezmann is not a center forward, so no it does not make sense


Meh traditional center forward is not the end all be all of football nowadays. Look at how much Lewandowski stunk up the place against Liverpool. Without proper support traditional number 9s like Lewandowski are nearly useless. Bayern could have used someone like Griezmann or Firmino playing CF instead of Lewandowski in that tie.


http://www.goallegacy.net/t36287-lewandowski-will-win-bayern-the-cl

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:53 pm

@Don't call me James wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:Griezmann is not a center forward, so no it does not make sense


Meh traditional center forward is not the end all be all of football nowadays. Look at how much Lewandowski stunk up the place against Liverpool. Without proper support traditional number 9s like Lewandowski are nearly useless. Bayern could have used someone like Griezmann or Firmino playing CF instead of Lewandowski in that tie.



@Don't call me James wrote:The guy is a god. Top 3 striker in the world. Bayern will finally have a player who will actually standout on another level individually when they win trophies. There will be games in CL where he will carry them on his own.

If he stays injury free Bayern win CL for me and he will get a top 3 Balon D'or nomination (can easily win it too depending on his season).


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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:17 pm

I will never forgive this

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Post by alexjanosik on Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:33 pm

@Don't call me James wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:Griezmann is not a center forward, so no it does not make sense


Meh traditional center forward is not the end all be all of football nowadays. Look at how much Lewandowski stunk up the place against Liverpool. Without proper support traditional number 9s like Lewandowski are nearly useless. Bayern could have used someone like Griezmann or Firmino playing CF instead of Lewandowski in that tie.


On the contrary, a traditional CF is still important but the role of the traditional CF has changed. Look at most of the top teams. The role of the traditional CF is now to enable the primary goalscorer.

For Barca, it is Suarez who does all the dirty work and opens up space for Messi to be the primary goalscorer.
For Liverpool, it is Firminho who does all the dirty work and opens up space for Salah to be the primary goalscorer.
For Juve, Mandzukic enables CR who is the primary goalscorer. For Madrid, it used to be Benzema enabling CR. For Atletico, it is Morata or Costa enabling Griezman. Etc

Bayern dont have that and it is not a surprise to me that Lewa struggles in crunch CL games. He is all alone up top with no elite goalscorers around.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:44 pm

@alexjanosik wrote:
@Don't call me James wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:Griezmann is not a center forward, so no it does not make sense


Meh traditional center forward is not the end all be all of football nowadays. Look at how much Lewandowski stunk up the place against Liverpool. Without proper support traditional number 9s like Lewandowski are nearly useless. Bayern could have used someone like Griezmann or Firmino playing CF instead of Lewandowski in that tie.


On the contrary, a traditional CF is still important but the role of the traditional CF has changed. Look at most of the top teams. The role of the traditional CF is now to enable the primary goalscorer.

For Barca, it is Suarez who does all the dirty work and opens up space for Messi to be the primary goalscorer.
For Liverpool, it is Firminho who does all the dirty work and opens up space for Salah to be the primary goalscorer.
For Juve, Mandzukic enables CR who is the primary goalscorer. For Madrid, it used to be Benzema enabling CR. For Atletico, it is Morata or Costa enabling Griezman. Etc

Bayern dont have that and it is not a surprise to me that Lewa struggles in crunch CL games. He is all alone up top with no elite goalscorers around.


This is why we still need Müller, to enable Lewandowski, and he was missing badly vs Liverpool

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Thu May 09, 2019 5:30 pm

Will join barca this summer

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Post by futbol on Thu May 09, 2019 5:49 pm

Idiotic transfer. Not only does he occupy the exact same spaces as Messi and needs a real #9 infront of him to play off of but he is also left-footed which makes it even more useless as he cannot even be transformed into a David Villa type of "false LW" role. On top of that he will be 29 next season and has played many years in a physically demanding Simeone side, I doubt he will be in his prime beyond 30.

What's the point?

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Thu May 09, 2019 6:02 pm

Point is that Suarez scored 2 goals in the last 20 champions league game

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