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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:55 pm

it's a complex operation for a club like barcelona to borrow 35 millions? he sounds like an idiot

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Post by danyjr on Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:59 pm

It is a complex operation to borrow if you're already balls deep in debt tbh Laughing


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Post by Myesyats on Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:04 pm


Bartomeu: "It will be a long summer. Arrivals and departures are not completed."


If you do not know how finance works in football, clubs often conduct business by pledging their future revenues. Many clubs pay transfer fees in installments and the loans they take out are used shrewdly in order to manage cashflow effectively over the course of a season. This does not suggest that an organisation (football club in this case) which employs this as a way of managing its cash flows is living outside its means. Far from it – it remains, in essence and if used prudently, a flexible and practical financing tool which should always merit consideration by lenders and sporting organisations where the circumstances permit.


*Had to use an article about law in sport to state my case clear so just wanna point out these are not my own words exactly.

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Post by S on Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:23 pm

Just reading through the first few pages. Boy did Frenzie make a muppet out of himself... Crazy to think this numpty was his dream transfer a year or two ago. Remember all that posturing from him with Griezmann avatars back then ? Good times
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Post by Firenze on Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:54 pm

that was before 'La Decision' and him being christened Griezmelt for eternity. Anyway, I always said I didn't really want him.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:57 pm

@danyjr wrote:It is a complex operation to borrow if you're already balls deep in debt tbh Laughing


When has balls deep in debt ever stopped anybody before?

Honestly it sounds like utter bollocks, every year we hear how they can't afford this player and that player and every year they spend big money on someone or multiple people.

Until i see actual proof, as in they don't buy who they want purely because they can't afford it for once i won't believe it.

Honestly it smacks of them thinking if they say publicly they don't have money then when they enter negotiations they will get players cheaper.

Which is dumb as hell.
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Post by Thimmy on Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:39 pm

It's fine, Mole. They can afford whoever they damn want. You can sleep well tonight, knowing that Spain is.. yellow and red albino

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Post by futbol on Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:29 pm

Bartogoat. :bow: Sending PSG the message that we don't have money so we can get Neymar cheaper, for a straight Coutinho swap. Unbelieavable 11-D string-theory chess. :bow:

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:32 pm

@Thimmy wrote:It's fine, Mole. They can afford whoever they damn want. You can sleep well tonight, knowing that Spain is.. yellow and red albino


It's not about that.

It's that every year people believe this crap and every year they're spending 100m on a player at least.

I honestly couldn't care less but it doesn't make any sense, if it was a team that actually struggles consistently to make the signings they want it would make sense.

But that's not what's happening here.
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Post by Myesyats on Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:33 pm

The newest report from Lequipe says 2 players that exceed 222 million. Coutinho+Rakitic maybe? But im not sure how they did the math on this one.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:26 pm

According to El mundo, Atlético have an email from Griezmann rep discussing contract terms with Griezmann and his sister and dad, dating from many months ago. They will use this to prove that Griezmann agreed a deal with barca when his clause was still 200 mil

https://amp.elmundo.es/deportes/futbol/premier-league/2019/08/05/5d472dd1fdddffb78c8b4627.html#click=https://t.co/mLNzB1DHzf

This story might just get juicier

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Post by Art Morte on Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:45 pm

I don't know if Atletico have any case here, a contract isn't valid until it's signed. Seems very petty from Atletico this behaviour.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:59 pm

Their case against barca is that they negotiated a contract with Griezmann when the player was still under contract with Atletico and without their authorization. The email is a proof of that. Barca might not have to pay the rest of the money but if you strictly apply FIFA rules, barca could be on the hook for an infraction which may carry a transfer ban. If ATLETICO lawyers can build a real case then they might force Barca to settle as opposed to being banned for a transfer window.

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Post by Art Morte on Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:06 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:Their case against barca is that they negotiated a contract with Griezmann when the player was still under contract with Atletico and without their authorization. The email is a proof of that. Barca might not have to pay the rest of the money but if you strictly apply FIFA rules, barca could be on the hook for an infraction which may carry a transfer ban. If ATLETICO lawyers can build a real case then they might force Barca to settle as opposed to being banned for a transfer window.


Yeah, I get the argument that a player shouldn't negotiate with other clubs unless they are in the final 6 months of their contract (although I'm not sure if that's just a PL rule or a general UEFA / FIFA rule). But arguing that "you have to pay us the full 200m as per his release clause" doesn't make sense to me, because the transfer didn't happen and papers were not signed until after the clause had expired.

That 6 month rule is also a bit so-and-so, hard to enforce. For example, it was more or less known for a full year that Emre Can was leaving us on a free and had a fat contract already negotiated with someone. All these "you're not allowed to enter talks" rules are quite stupid in this time and age.
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Post by Myesyats on Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:05 pm

That email is not proof of anything since it wasn't sent through Barca's employees, executives or the club's offices.

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Post by rincon on Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:11 pm

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Post by futbol_bill on Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:12 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:Their case against barca is that they negotiated a contract with Griezmann when the player was still under contract with Atletico and without their authorization. The email is a proof of that. Barca might not have to pay the rest of the money but if you strictly apply FIFA rules, barca could be on the hook for an infraction which may carry a transfer ban. If ATLETICO lawyers can build a real case then they might force Barca to settle as opposed to being banned for a transfer window.



I read somewhere? In past week that the two clubs had reached an agreement which I assumed was an additional payment from Barcelona and would end the various investigations.
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Post by sportsczy on Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:21 pm

You can't tamper.... but everyone does.  

The problem is that Barca has shit relationships with every club out there almost.  So everyone is out to get them.

Lack of goodwill is the issue here with Atletico.  Same with PSG.  Same with Dortmund.  Same with Liverpool.  etc.  You can't execute hostile takeovers of other teams' players and then expect them not to be hostile in return.

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Post by Doc on Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:06 pm

@sportsczy wrote:You can't tamper.... but everyone does.  

The problem is that Barca has shit relationships with every club out there almost.  So everyone is out to get them.

Lack of goodwill is the issue here with Atletico.  Same with PSG.  Same with Dortmund.  Same with Liverpool.  etc.  You can't execute hostile takeovers of other teams' players and then expect them not to be hostile in return.

That is basically it. I personally don't think Atleti has much grounds but the fact Barcelona keeps pissing off clubs at that level is the main reason behind all this. I mean, they get the player they want but the bridges they leave burnt in the back is growing in numbers.

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Post by futbol on Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:56 am

How exactly is it Barca's misbehaviour for paying Griezmann's release clause?

Atletico have this strange hostility towards us for years now. When they won the league in Camp Nou everyone clapped them. When we won in their stadium the year after they booed the shit out of us.

We always acted nicely towards them. Gave them David Villa for free so he could go where he wanted and not move countries.

Instead of being petty towards us they should have showed balls in 2 CL finals against the real Madrid.

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Post by Doc on Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:25 pm

Gave David Villa for free, lol. Barca sent his ass on loan because he didn't have a place in the squad after his horrid injury and with Neymar joining. Don't play it was some charitable thing to do. Also, both Madrid and Bayern paid the release clause for the Hernandez brothers and yet, Barca is the one getting reported. I wonder why....

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:58 pm

Barca could have played hardball with David and forced him to accept a 40m transfer to Qatar or China... We did act honorably with him and many of the other former players at retirement ages.

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Post by futbol_bill on Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:29 pm

Com on, as if they did Villa or Atleti a favor!

Barca have a long history of tampering, signing under age kids, making under the table deals and tax fraud.

The list of teams not wanting to deal with them is numerous!
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:57 am

selling him to a competitor is a favor, yes.

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Post by Doc on Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:16 am

Honourable thing, ok lol.

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Post by Clutch on Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:15 am

*flashbacks to David villa celebrating harder scoring against Barca than winning the world cup*

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