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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:21 pm

It's not though.

Also when have I ever let outside opinions dictate my own lol.

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Post by The Madrid One Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:26 pm

My review of The Last Jedi.

TLDR: allegorically it is this

But do read on.

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Post by Freeza Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:34 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:It's not though.

Also when have I ever let outside opinions dictate my own lol.


Also. Even if it was a remake, that doesn’t mean the first one is per definition better.
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Post by Freeza Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:38 pm

I can’t watch Red Letter Media at all. They’re awful to watch really.

They’re so god damn obnoxious towards films. They’re so afraid to show honest emotions towards anything and they love to ridicule anyone who does. They’re just trying so hard to be hip.

Worst part of it is that so many insecure weaklings on the internet parrots their shit and can’t form an opinion of their own if their life depended on it. (Not saying you’re like them at all, just really don’t like them).
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Post by The Madrid One Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:18 am

Understandable.

They're quite good-hearted and self-aware sardonic critics with a counter culture edge, and it might be easy to mistake them for plain assholes if you're not very familiar with them.
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Post by M99 Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:22 am

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Post by McLewis Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:39 am

Better than TFA, but not better than Rogue One.

Hit some really poignant notes throughout, but just seemed uneven in places (like the casino planet).

I really liked Laura Dern and Benicio Del Toro's characters. Finn's entire arc felt forced, but Luke/Rey/Kylo arc was great.

A good Star Wars movie, but not a great one.
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Post by Freeza Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:47 am

Why is everyone suddenly such big fans of Rogue One? Seems to be a general trend I’ve been seeing. Don’t remember much praise before TLJ came out. A lot of people used to hate on it and crave for an alternate cut that had the moments in the trailers.

When it first came out it seemed like everyone agreed it was middling until an absolutely incredible third act.

Was never huge on the characters in Rogue One except K2SO.
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Post by Kaladin Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:57 am

If you go back to Rogue 1's release, im sure you can find many praising it, including me.

I'm surprised you aren't big on the characters, i don't think i've been invested in as large a cast in SW movie before. I liked everyone, the variety of them helped. Meanwhile, this movie could've been fine without Finn lol, no idea what purpose he served other than

Dont even get me started on Rey being a Mary Sue, and dont you dare recycle that hot garbage from twitter. I am only calling out what i am seeing. The only characters that i feel like im invested in are Kylo and Poe.

Rogue One is not perfect, but it is much better than TFA and TLJ, at least for me. It even has your boy Mads ffs.
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Post by Freeza Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:53 am

Rey can’t be called a Mary Sue after TLJ though. But I don’t really want to have the Kylo battle discussion again.
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Mads Mikkelsen had a too small part in that movie. Wish he’d had more to do.

Diego Luna is great but him just killing people and having no moral seemed out of time at some point for me. Felicity Jones I don’t understand the fascination with in general.

The two munks and K2SO were great, but hard to say much about them. Rid Ahmed’s character was also lacking. Didn’t like the two main characters.
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Post by Kaladin Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:05 am

Nice racism
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Post by Freeza Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:14 am

Kaladin wrote:Nice racism


I love you rofl

Need that Tyrese as Mace Windu spin-off imo
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Post by RealGunner Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:24 am

Going in 2 hours. I'll give my expert opinion soon.

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Post by Kaladin Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:31 am

I'm curious to see if it wall beat TFA's box office
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Post by Freeza Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:57 am

Kaladin wrote:I'm curious to see if it wall beat TFA's box office


Don't think it will. Too long. Fewer screenings playing than TFA.

Beginning to doubt Avatar's record will ever be broken.
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Post by rincon Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:33 am

@freeza Diego lunas character just showing up and killing people from the start was exactly what got me hooked in rogue 1. In the star wars movies I've had a hard time buying the whole resistance thing.

Rogue 1 was the first one that really felt like a real war. Tons of great characters that felt like real members of a resistance pushed to the extremes where they had to do *bleep* up things. I won't go into spoilers but the whole main cast mission and the climax was fantastic. Top star wars movie for me, I actually bought into the overall conflict outside of the jedis and siths.
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Post by Freeza Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:43 am

rincon wrote:@freeza Diego lunas character just showing up and killing people from the start was exactly what got me hooked in rogue 1. In the star wars movies I've had a hard time buying the whole resistance thing.

Rogue 1 was the first one that really felt like a real war. Tons of great characters that felt like real members of a resistance pushed to the extremes where they had to do *bleep* up things. I won't go into spoilers but the whole main cast mission and the climax was fantastic. Top star wars movie for me, I actually bought into the overall conflict outside of the jedis and siths.


Didn't mind the killing itself. Just felt they could've gone a much more sinister route with that character, but he kind of just changed. And mainly didn't connect that much with the two mains.

K2SO dying absolutely ruined me though. One of the greatest Star Wars characters.

I liked that it felt like a war, but felt like the movie lacked until the third act mainly because of characters. The opening and 3rd act were amazing though.

The Last Jedi felt like a war also imo. Both of these two had the greatest battles in the series.
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Post by zigra Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:05 pm

Kaladin wrote:If you go back to Rogue 1's release, im sure you can find many praising it, including me.


Like 5/10 praise? hmm
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Post by rincon Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:06 pm

The last battle scene in rogue one where you go through all the main group on that planet is GOAT. I need to watch that movie again, only saw it once
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Post by rincon Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:16 pm

Went back to the first page, my thought are still the same. Sadly I might not get to see the new movie for like 2 weeks.
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Post by M99 Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:21 pm

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:26 pm

Kaladin wrote:If you go back to Rogue 1's release, im sure you can find many praising it, including me.

You gave it a 5/10 you silly twat. Heart
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Post by Freeza Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:27 pm

M99 wrote:
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Post by Kaladin Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:32 pm

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Post by Freeza Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:34 pm

What a gem from a Rogue One review in the old thread

" There’s none of the Shakespearean space politics, enticingly florid dialogue, or experiential thrills of the best of George Lucas’s “Star Wars” entries (“Attack of the Clones” and “Revenge of the Sith”). "
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:35 pm

Tbh i like Rogue One and it has highs which a lot of Star Wars films don't have but i do agree with Freeza tbh.

A shit tonne of people complained about at the characters upon release and it's pacing.

I didn't personally and i mainly find the pacing argument silly when A New Hope ( AKA lets have a robot speak to itself for half an hour the movie) is universally loved but it did happen.

Which does give off the feeling of a changed narrative.
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