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Post by CBarca on Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:21 am

On second viewing I kinda agree with Mole. I'm more conflicted. I still like it and like it as more than TFA but...idk, don't think I liked it as much on second viewing.

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Post by Kaladin on Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:24 am

I dont get people who watch movies multiple times consecutively once its out, not targeted at CB, just in general.

Also, i think one guy put it best, The Last Farce did nothing substantial apart from Snoke dying, the characters are the same in the beginning that they are at the end (apart from Kylo). Finn had a filler arc, Snoke got roflstomped and he is supposed to be a master force user?? It was a terrible sequel. TFA was so much better, even if it was a rehash.

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Post by Freeza on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:22 am

@Kaladin wrote:I dont get people who watch movies multiple times consecutively once its out, not targeted at CB, just in general.

Also, i think one guy put it best, The Last Farce did nothing substantial apart from Snoke dying, the characters are the same in the beginning that they are at the end (apart from Kylo). Finn had a filler arc, Snoke got roflstomped and he is supposed to be a master force user?? It was a terrible sequel. TFA was so much better, even if it was a rehash.


I don’t get people who just posts ridiculous nonsense about a movie. When was Snoke ever mentioned as a master force user? And even if he was, it’s normal for the sith to kill masters in a sneaky way. Palpating did the same even. He killed his master while he was sleeping.

Movies aren’t about plot. Finn’s arc wasn’t filler. You can say you didn’t like it or that it didn’t resonate emotionally with you, but to call it filler is just wrong. It added a lot of thematica to the story that was necessary for Rian Johnson’s overall vision. The movie is about deconstruction of the Jedi myth and that really got me.

I also don’t see what’s not to get as out watching a movie several times. Same as eating your favourite dish imo.

Also ‘The Last Farce’? Please leave the name calling and terrible jokes for Harmonica. You’re better than that.

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Post by Kaladin on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:47 am

Snoke is the SUPREME LEADER, used the force across space to torture Hux and taught Kylo. How are you defending this? You'd think a force user would notice turn of the blade.

Also, Finn's arc was nothing but stupid, even from a narrative perspective it was dumb. I get it served its purpose with the little kid at the end. But you could've incorporated that in some other fashion rather than use Finn as a vehicle, it just didn't fit and took me out of the movie. Same thing with Leia's scene.

On movie viewings, thats just my personal opinion, you cant have the experience of watching it for the first time be replicated again as the first time. Food is different, games are different, you cant compare those.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:11 am

Snoke pissed me off tbh.
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It was just utterly pointless, all that hype and then that. That's not how you treat deaths in films.

Also don't agree it was impactful, it did zero for the film tbh. Han being killed by Kylo was impactful and made the film better.

This did nothing, as I said I'm conflicted because the film was full of great performances with great moments but they ultimately did nothing with them and was riddled with stupid decisions.

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Post by Freeza on Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:35 am

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Snoke pissed me off tbh.
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It was just utterly pointless, all that hype and then that. That's not how you treat deaths in films.

Also don't agree it was impactful, it did zero for the film tbh. Han being killed by Kylo was impactful and made the film better.

This did nothing, as I said I'm conflicted because the film was full of great performances with great moments but they ultimately did nothing with them and was riddled with stupid decisions.


How did it do nothing for the film? It grew Kylo’s character immensely and was totally in line with the sith teachings. Added so much more than if he had survived. I don’t where you’d go with the character in the third movie if that hadn’t happened.

Hype was mostly fan-made imo. It’s fun to speculate, but I don’t mind being proven wrong.

It all depends on how you emotionally react to the choices the film make really. I just love how this movie is something else than just being a delivery device for plot like a lot of blockbusters currently are. The thematic choices of this film are incredible and they resonated so much for me, but I can understand why they wouldn’t for someone else.

Really feel like this movie will be the start of a new and greater universe of Star Wars films. It expanded the mythology and returned the saga to be about the heroes journey instead of the force being birth right only.

Also having every character fail in everything they do was great, and I think they did it really organically and in line with the characters.

Mainly have a problem with Leia flying and thought it could’ve been done more smoothly. And also the chase scene in Las Vegas could’ve been executed better if they wanted to introduce the struggle of the peasants.

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Post by Kaladin on Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:01 am

I don't see how 'different' it was as much as it was a whole bunch of nothing.

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Post by Freeza on Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:46 am

@Kaladin wrote:I don't see how 'different' it was as much as it was a whole bunch of nothing.


Sure.

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Post by Kaladin on Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:53 pm

How much did Disney pay you

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Post by Freeza on Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:06 pm

@Kaladin wrote:How much did Disney pay you


I’m the least pro-Disney in here amongst all you MCU fanboys imo hmm

RG is out here calling Frozen the best movie of the century

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Post by Luca on Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:08 pm

I kind of feel like my feelings for the Last Jedi will hinge on how they close off the trilogy but I did like the movie, not to say it was perfect. I don't really like Rey's character that much. Kylo can be GOAT though

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Snope's death definitely had meaning. I thought it was a bit underwhelming but the scene that followed was absolutely unreal, so maybe it balances out.
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Post by Luca on Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:11 pm

Also, has anyone watched or heard of Star Wars Rebels?

Is it worth?
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Post by Freeza on Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:19 pm

@Luca wrote:Also, has anyone watched or heard of Star Wars Rebels?

Is it worth?


Watched the two or three first seasons. There’s a lot of filler but the first and last episodes of each season are incredible.

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Post by Cruijf on Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:38 pm

@Kaladin wrote:The Last Farce did nothing substantial apart from Snoke dying, the characters are the same in the beginning that they are at the end (apart from Kylo).


There is no doubt this movie has flaws, and I agree with many of the criticisms that I've heard (although I loved the movie). This however just isn't accurate.

Rey: her entire arc from the beginning of TFA has been about wanting belonging, wanting to know "her place in all this", etc. Luke teaches her that being a Jedi isn't going to give her a place in this story, and it isn't even necessarily going to make her the hero. Ironically, it's because of what she learns with Luke that she disobeys him to go to Kylo -- she stops thinking in binaries of perfect Jedi and evil Sith monster. She stops thinking Kylo is some cartoon villian and realizes he had reasons for turning to the dark side and that it's possible to turn back. And then when she finds out/accepts (because she's the one that actually says it) about her parents, she moves on from caring so much about her "place" in the story and instead just about doing her best to do good.

Luke: starts off as this cynical hermit who thinks that because the Jedi failed they must end, and that because he failed his time as a hero must end. Through a mixture of Rey, R2D2, and Yoda, he realizes that failure isn't supposed to be the end of anything -- it's "the best teacher". So instead of reacting to failure of an institution or individual by giving up on them, you should react by trying to reform said individual/institution from within, and continue to try working for good. That's why he does what he does on Crait, and why he says he won't be the Last Jedi. He's taught Rey that the Jedi and heroism aren't as simple as she thinks, but he's also realized now that that doesn't mean you stop fighting for good and doing your part.

Poe/Finn: their arcs very closely tie in to the central theme of the movie, which is that good and evil aren't as simple as you think. Poe's first scene where he's reckless and loses the Resistance their bombing fleet mirrors Finn's last scene, when he recklessly tries to save the world on his own. Both of them learn that being the hero isn't about doing the first thing that comes to mind, and more importantly, that you don't always have to be the hero. For good to triumph, sometimes you need to trust your leader and do what you're told.

The great thing about these two arcs is that their recklessness was exactly the same in TFA (Poe's first scene for example when he tried to take on Kylo and the whole first order on his own), it's just in TLJ their recklessness actually has consequences, so they learn. It's not a coincidence that the Resistance fails basically everything they try in this movie -- Failure is the Best Teacher.

The plot definitely has flaws, and I disagree with Freeza that movies aren't about plot. They're about the theme/message yeah, but the plot has to also make sense and everything needs a purpose. And while the casino arc adds a lot thematically (more than just introducing the kids) it is useless from the storytelling perspective which is definitely a flaw in the movie.

But when it comes to character development/theme, this movie is absolutely amazing, probably the best of all the Star Wars movies. To say the characters don't change/grow is simply wrong.

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Post by CBarca on Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:19 pm

I went again cuz it was a good movie, fun, really enjoyed it. My ma was paying cuz she wanted to see it so I went along. Dunno what's wrong with that

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Post by Tomwin Lannister on Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:20 pm

Just throwing this out there in regards to Snoke, even if he is legit dead. Maybe he wanted to die?

His speech about turning and igniting the lightsaber to strike down his true enemy made zero sense as kylo wasn't turning his own saber, and Rey's been his 'enemy' for what 3 days? When you first watch it, you think he's ironically and accidentally describing his own death but it might not have been so accidental. Snoke was the one making kylo his personal bitch for years. imo Snoke hoped he'd put him out of his misery (He was physically broken) and solidify himself as a dark side user which so far he did, as opposed to going the OT route and killing his master, to turn to the light.

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Post by Kaladin on Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:24 pm

NascarBarca wrote:I went again cuz it was a good movie, fun, really enjoyed it. My ma was paying cuz she wanted to see it so I went along. Dunno what's wrong with that


This wasn't directed at you, mainly reading on people from twitter/reddit with 'just came back from my 3rd/4th viewing'

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Post by McLewis on Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:56 pm

I just don't think TFA set the bar all that high so it was easy enough for TLJ to meet/surpass it, which I think it did by simply advancing the narrative. That's literally the only reason why I liked it better than TFA, but as a Star Wars movie overall, I still liked Rogue One better.


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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:08 am

https://twitter.com/PrequelMemesBot/status/947286481873272834

OMG rofl

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Post by M99 on Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:22 am

Exactly what I needed to end the year.

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Post by RealGunner on Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:09 pm

Read a theory that Rey is reincarnation of Anakin skywalker


Thoughts?
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Post by Freeza on Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:20 pm

@RealGunner wrote:Read a theory that Rey is reincarnation of Anakin skywalker


Thoughts?


Stop reading bullshit

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Post by Cruijf on Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:38 pm

I don't really care if people didn't like TLJ but to say it's worse than any of the prequels is just wrong Laughing

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:40 pm

Prefer Episode 3 to it tbh and i'm not joking.

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Post by Freeza on Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:41 pm

@Cruijf wrote:I don't really care if people didn't like TLJ but to say it's worse than any of the prequels is just wrong Laughing


Prequels have retroactively become masterpieces

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