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Post by Adit Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:30 pm

I personally think now ultra left have a problem with freedom of speech. They are the first to label, first to abuse, first to loose temper and then justify it by saying any one who disagree a Nazi,Hitler,Racists. This guy sums up well.

Tarek Fatah,Ali A rizvi,Ayaan,Majjid all of them has been called islamohpobes by the ultra left. If these gray muslims cant bridge the gap then who will? right wing? ultra left?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/29/i-m-a-muslim-reformer-why-am-i-being-smeared-as-an-anti-muslim-extremist.html

I am a brown, liberal, reform Muslim. I have survived violent neo-Nazi racism and served as a former War on Terror political prisoner in Egypt, witnessing torture. Yet, in a trip that takes us through the looking glass, the largely white American non-Muslim “progressive” leadership at the pro-civil liberties group Southern Poverty Law Center (SLPC) has just published a “journalist’s field list” naming me as an “anti-Muslim” extremist.
Through the counter-extremism organisation Quilliam that I founded, I have spent eight years defending my Muslim communities in Europe, Pakistan  and beyond from the diktats of Islamist theocrats. I have also argued for the liberal reform of Islam today, from within. But, in a naively dangerous form of neo-Orientalism, the SPLC just arrogated to itself the decision over which debates we Muslims may have about reforming our own religion, and which are to be deemed beyond the pale.
Let us call it “Islamsplaining.”
In a monumental failure of comprehension, the SPLC have conflated my challenge to Islamist theocracy among my fellow Muslims with somehow being “anti-Muslim.” The regressive left is now in the business of issuing fatwas against Muslim reformers.
It’s not as if there’s any shortage of Muslim extremists who want me dead. They exist in numbers so plenty that former jihadists have even taken to calling in to my live LBC radio show to confess to once having made plans to assassinate me. Europe has witnessed around 6,000 of our fellow Muslims leave to join ISIS. Here in Europe, amid jihadist assassinations and mass terror attacks planned with military precision, we truly are in the thick of it. Meanwhile, from the comforts of sweet Alabama comes this edict that liberal Muslims working to throw open a conversation around reforming Islam today are somehow to be deemed “anti-Muslim extremists.”
To be forced to defend oneself—again—is an inherently undesirable position to be in. Many have already admirably come to my defense, and more are no doubt forthcoming.

But there are certain things that are too important to leave to others. To be able to successfully do what I care deeply about — working toward the emancipation of my Muslim communities from the oppressive yoke of theocrats — it is crucial that reforming liberal Muslims like me are not smeared as “anti-Muslim.” After all, it is in the theocrats’ interests to have us labeled so. It is only they who argue that any internal criticism is but heresy. In a Muslim version of the Inquisition, the punishments meted out by these jihadists to Muslims they accuse of “heresy” are by now so well known that they require no introduction.
Another set that benefits from the smear that reforming liberal Muslims are “not Muslim enough” are the often xenophobic, sometimes racist, but always anti-Muslim, bigots. By advocating that every Muslim is a jihadist in waiting, and must be expelled from the West, these bigots suppport the very religious segregation that Islamist theocrats call for.
ISIS has called this “eliminating the gray zone.”  We reforming liberal Muslims and ex-Muslims who sit between Muslim and anti-Muslim bigots disrupt the narrative of both these extremes. It is no surprise then that as well as being attacked by Islamists, I have been labelled a closet jihadist by people like Glenn Beck on Fox News, and on various other anti-Muslim online platforms. Imagine for a moment how besieged we reformers feel.
Anti-Muslim extremists often complain that there are no “moderate Muslims” challenging extremism. Then liberal reform Muslims and ex-Muslims stepped up to this challenge, only to be labelled as “anti-Muslim” extremists by those we had hoped were our allies, and who we now call the regressive-left. They are those who talk of progressive values: feminism, gay rights and free speech, and who criticise Christian fundamentalists within their own communities. A long time ago, we liberal reform Muslims had high hopes for this group. Just as they challenge the conservatives of their own “Bible belt” we thought they would support our challenge against our very own “Qur’an Belt.” How wrong we were.
Too many on the left not only abandoned us, but took to openly attacking us for advocating these very same progressive values among our own — extremely socially conservative — communities. Ironically, my life epitomises every one of the grievances the regressive left pays lip service to when refusing to entertain rational conversation around Islam. I have faced violent neo-Nazi racist hammer and machete attacks. I am a jailed survivor of the War-on-Terror torture era in Egypt.
Unlike many of these first world keyboard virtue-signallers, I can instinctively identify genuine anti-Muslim bigotry and discrimination. This bigotry must be challenged, alongside the bigotry peddled by Muslim theocrats.


But the solution cannot be to stare too long into the abyss, becoming the very Nietzschean or McCarthyite beast we seek to defeat.
As well as opposing left-wing UK government ministers who’ve supported ethnic and religious profiling, I have opposed President Obama’s targeted killings and drone strikes. I challenged U.S. Rep. Peter King in the UK Parliament on his obfuscation and justification for torture. I have repeatedly spoken out against extraordinary rendition of terror suspects and against detention without charge of terror suspects. I have supported my political party, the Liberal Democrats, by backing a call to end the UK’s Schedule 7, which deprives terror suspects of the right to silence at our ports of entry and exit, something I have personally been subjected to while having my DNA forcibly taken from me.
I have criticized the UK government’s counter extremism plans where I think they are too state heavy, and I have called for their reform where needed. I have spoken out repeatedly against Trump’s populism. I have argued in favor of a motion that Islam is a religion of peace, at an Intelligence Squared debate in New York. And I hosted Morgan Freeman in a New York mosque. I have battled racist callers to my national LBC radio show who advocate mass deportation of ethnic minorities. On that same show, I have defended my fellow Muslims from bigots who think we are all here to “take over”.
Anderson Cooper has said that mine is a “voice I urge you to hear.” 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl considers my story “absorbing” and my work “important”. Kate Allen, UK head of Amnesty International has said my life involves “a passionate advocacy of human rights” and that she “was moved beyond measure.” Former UK Prime Minister David Cameron sought my advice regularly while in office. And against this assault by the Southern Poverty Law Center I have the support and acknowledgement of the UK's only watchdog against anti-Muslim hate run by Muslims themselves, Tell Mama UK.
And despite all this, white non-Muslim self-appointed inquisitors at a civil liberties organisation somehow found it acceptable to list me as an “anti-Muslim Extremist”.
But think about it.

If despite the above, and the fact that I have memorised half of the Qur’an, what hope is there for an “unknown Mo” who wants to push back against extremism within his community? Such silencing tactics work.
I am no “anti-Muslim” extremist. I am not your enemy. What I do require is your patience. For it is due to precisely this concern of mine for universal human rights for Muslims, that I vehemently oppose Islamist extremism and call for liberal reform within our communities, for our communities. For we Muslims are the first victims of Islamists and Muslim fundamentalists.  I am no Muslim representative. I am no religious role model (yes, I had a bachelor’s party) but I am Muslim. I am born to Muslim parents in a Muslim family. I have a Muslim son. The “Muslim experience” of liberal, reforming and dissenting Muslim and ex-Muslim voices is every bit as valid, every bit as relevant, and every bit as authentic as anyone else that is touched by this debate. We exist. Allow us to speak. Stop erasing our experiences.
Beyond that, just as one does not need to be brown to discuss racism, one does not need to be Muslim to discuss Islam.

If there was anything we liberals should have learnt from McCarthyism, it is that compiling lists of our political foes is a malevolent, nefarious, and incredibly dangerous thing to do. And this terrible tactic, of simplifying and reducing our political opponents to a rogue’s gallery of “bad guys,” is not solely the domain of the right. As the political horseshoe theory attributed to Jean-Pierre Faye highlights, if we travel far-left enough, we find the very same sneering, nasty and reckless bullying tactics used by the far-right. Denunciations of traitors, heresy and blasphemy are the last resort of diminutive, insecure power-craving fascists of all stripes. Compiling lists is their modus operandi.  
In today’s climate of vigilante violence, far-right and Islamist terrorism, being included on such lists can forever change the lives of any one unlucky enough to be deemed from high above as “anti-Muslim.” Unaccountable—but never mind for they are righteous—leftists are conferring upon themselves the power to irrevocably alter people’s lives at the click of a mouse button, at the expense of we who live this struggle.
This particular list also makes a major category error, as these white American leftists conflate genuine (according only to my own humble view) anti-Muslim bigots with academic, journalistic and intellectual critics of Islam—including beleaguered ex-Muslim voices like Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Unlike Ayaan, they have never had to suffer the quadruple discriminatory pressure of appearing Muslim, brown, female, and losing one’s faith. I call these the minority within Muslim minorities.

And setting aside my disdain for naming any individuals on lists, to include me alongside Pam Geller is patently absurd. Pam Geller furiously opposed the Park51 Manhattan mosque project. I supported it. Pam Geller supported the anti-Islam British protest group EDL. By facilitating the resignation of its founder Tommy Robinson, I helped to render it leaderless until it practically fizzled out. Pam Geller has “expressed skepticism” about the existence of Serbian concentration camps. I have repeatedly referred to the genocide in Bosnia as having been a primary factor in my own anger and radicalisation as a youth. Pam Geller has called for Islam itself to be designated a “political system”, and to lose its constitutional rights as merely a religion. I am a Muslim who set up an organisation that campaigns to maintain a separation between Islam, and the theocratic Islamists who seek to hijack my religion. Need I go on?

It’s not as if SPLC’s methodology in naming individuals as “anti-Muslim” has been flawless until now. In October 2014, the Center posted an “Extremist File” that included Presidential nominee Dr. Ben Carson. The SPLC had to later issue an apology. It is for this reason I can proudly say that the only list I have ever been erroneously accused of producing, was a collection of Islamist groups’ names—not individuals I hasten to add—that I disagreed with yet pushed the government not to ban. And they listened.
There is no “good way” to compile lists. Jihadist terrorists in Bangladesh also had a list. This appeared in 2013 and named 84 “atheist bloggers”, in other words secular free-thinkers. By the end of 2016 ten of them had been assassinated. Such a fascist tactic had been mirrored by a UK-based ‘anti-fascist’ group, Hope not Hate. In 2013 ‘Hope not Hate’ compiled a similar list that included the Danish author, journalist and Islam-critic Lars Hedegaard. He was later subjected to an assassination attempt, too.

No. Nothing good ever comes from compiling lists. And so I say to the Southern Poverty Law Center: You were supposed to stand up for us, not intimidate us. Just imagine how ex-Muslim Islam-critic Ayaan Hirsi Ali must feel to be included in your list of "anti-Muslim" extremists. Her friend Theo Van Gogh was murdered on the streets of Amsterdam in 2004. And back then there was another list pinned to Theo’s corpse with a knife: it too named Ayaan Hirsi Ali.


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Post by Pedram Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:58 pm

Ultra left ? calling them alt-left or regressive left would be more correct cause the type of stuff they promote (political correctness, social justice, identity politics etc) don't represent real leftist ideas like communism or socialism.


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Post by Adit Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:01 pm

Pedram wrote:Ultra left ? calling them alt-left or regressive left would be more correct cause they sure as don't represent communism or socialism.


Thats right. These lots are pretty hard to group.
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Post by Unique Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:16 pm

I don't know much about politics but if politicians had half a brain and used some common sense there would be no right wing or left wing.
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Post by DuringTheWar Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:58 pm



I'm actually scared about the insane bubble our elites are in. They are too isolated from the rest of the people.(check the dislike ratio on that video)
If they don't get off the path they are currently on, I really think they are heading for the guillotine.

Seriously not kidding, this cultural divide isn't sustainable!
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Post by DuringTheWar Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:41 am

"The hopeless fear Warmbier is now experiencing is my daily reality living in a country where white men like him are willfully oblivious to my suffering even as they are complicit in maintaining the power structures which ensure their supremacy at my expense. He is now an outsider at the mercy of a government unfazed by his cries for help. I get it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html

Translation: "If a totalitarian dictatorship sends you to gulag then f*** you white man."

The neo-"liberals" and alt-left are both insane in different ways.
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Post by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:53 pm

DuringTheWar wrote:"The hopeless fear Warmbier is now experiencing is my daily reality living in a country where white men like him are willfully oblivious to my suffering even as they are complicit in maintaining the power structures which ensure their supremacy at my expense. He is now an outsider at the mercy of a government unfazed by his cries for help. I get it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html

Translation: "If a totalitarian dictatorship sends you to gulag then f*** you white man."

The neo-"liberals" and alt-left are both insane in different ways.


What exactly do you disagree with in that article? Honestly?

Instead of outright dismissing the reality minorities face in the United States, which I feel the article writer is more qualified to discuss than a guy living in the UK honestly, you would be well versed to listen to them so we can all fix this.

That translation you made up is inauthentic, but we can discuss Warmbier's actions, and where exactly they came from. He CHOSE to partake in suffering tourism to get his rocks off in the sick sad world the Il-Sung dynasty has set up. He then CHOSE to break their laws. Warmbier's disregard for Asians ruined his life, and he would have been wise to stay at home where shitting on asians would have got him thumbs up on reddit, and some laughs from his drunk frat bros.

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Post by Pedram Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:34 pm

DuringTheWar wrote:

I'm actually scared about the insane bubble our elites are in. They are too isolated from the rest of the people.(check the dislike ratio on that video)
If they don't get off the path they are currently on, I really think they are heading for the guillotine.

Seriously not kidding, this cultural divide isn't sustainable!


Modern liberals are so sexually pervert, maybe Sharia Law isn't a bad idea after all. Laughing
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Post by DuringTheWar Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:58 pm

Betty La Fea wrote:
DuringTheWar wrote:"The hopeless fear Warmbier is now experiencing is my daily reality living in a country where white men like him are willfully oblivious to my suffering even as they are complicit in maintaining the power structures which ensure their supremacy at my expense. He is now an outsider at the mercy of a government unfazed by his cries for help. I get it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html

Translation: "If a totalitarian dictatorship sends you to gulag then f*** you white man."

The neo-"liberals" and alt-left are both insane in different ways.


What exactly do you disagree with in that article? Honestly?

Instead of outright dismissing the reality minorities face in the United States, which I feel the article writer is more qualified to discuss than a guy living in the UK honestly, you would be well versed to listen to them so we can all fix this.

That translation you made up is inauthentic, but we can discuss Warmbier's actions, and where exactly they came from. He CHOSE to partake in suffering tourism to get his rocks off in the sick sad world the Il-Sung dynasty has set up. He then CHOSE to break their laws. Warmbier's disregard for Asians ruined his life, and he would have been wise to stay at home where shitting on asians would have got him thumbs up on reddit, and some laughs from his drunk frat bros.


Ok then my disagreements with her, for simplicity's sake, are threefold:

- It is indecent not to sympathise with a man who's going to rot his life away in a gulag for the 'crime' of offending some totalitarian thugs' sensibilities.

- Being a black woman in America is not comparable in any way shape or form to being imprisoned in North Korea.

- There isn't any justification for linking this story to supposed 'white privilege' and your own resentments. It's completely unrelated.

Furthermore her mindset is extremely dangerous. When you look at history, what comes right before genocide is an exaggerated sense of victimhood raised to a pathological intensity. This definitely occurred in Germany before the holocaust. The German people's resentment and sense of victimhood was just waiting for someone to appear to set things on fire, to say "this time we will get *scapegoat* before the *scapegoat* gets us"

This woman thinks her situation is comparable to being in a North Korea prison, so her victimhood has clearly reached a pathological level.
She has little to no sympathy for her scapegoat (white man) being abused by totalitarians so she has probably reached a genocidal state of mind, or is there already. If she had the power a North Korean communist dictator I don't think she would hold off on the genocide. I wouldn't bet against it.

For the sake of balance, I fully admit all this applies to the right as well.
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Post by CBarca Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:48 pm

Alright let's not connect this to genocide now. I understand your point there and it's not like I even necessarily disagree, but unless blacks, Mexicans, Asians, trans, queer, muslim, Jewish etc are about to somehow band together and overtake the privileged white, then there is no reason to compare the two. We know this cannot happen as those who are white control the majority of wealth and power.

In the same vein that you said that being a black woman in America is not comparable to North Korean imprisonment (I agree, with the caveat of admitting I am a white straight male, don't tell ES), comparing any of this to genocide is...not a logical leap I'm willing to entertain
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Post by rincon Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:07 pm

Yeah the genocide link is unnecessary, otherwise fully agree with him.
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Post by DuringTheWar Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:44 pm

For a genocide to occur obviously a number of factors would have to come in play just for it to be possible, that are not currently in play, and I'm not predicting a genocide is feasible now.

The point is however that presumably it's better not to get into the kind of mindset described in this:
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Post by DeletedUser#1 Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:53 pm

Betty La Fea wrote:
DuringTheWar wrote:"The hopeless fear Warmbier is now experiencing is my daily reality living in a country where white men like him are willfully oblivious to my suffering even as they are complicit in maintaining the power structures which ensure their supremacy at my expense. He is now an outsider at the mercy of a government unfazed by his cries for help. I get it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html

Translation: "If a totalitarian dictatorship sends you to gulag then f*** you white man."

The neo-"liberals" and alt-left are both insane in different ways.


What exactly do you disagree with in that article? Honestly?

Instead of outright dismissing the reality minorities face in the United States, which I feel the article writer is more qualified to discuss than a guy living in the UK honestly, you would be well versed to listen to them so we can all fix this.

That translation you made up is inauthentic, but we can discuss Warmbier's actions, and where exactly they came from. He CHOSE to partake in suffering tourism to get his rocks off in the sick sad world the Il-Sung dynasty has set up. He then CHOSE to break their laws. Warmbier's disregard for Asians ruined his life, and he would have been wise to stay at home where shitting on asians would have got him thumbs up on reddit, and some laughs from his drunk frat bros.


If you genuinely think MINORITIES are horribly mistreated in America, I suspect you've never seen how minorities are treated elsewhere in the world. You need to travel more !

Japan, for example, 97% homogenous population, in 2015 over 5000+ refugees applied for asylum there, only 27 got accepted.

Try being a black person in Japan/China to see what real discrimination is like.

Or be a Christian in a Sunni-controlled country.


No place in the world treats minorities and gives them as many rights and avenues to success as Western Europe, North America, and Oceania does. Absolutely nowhere else comes close.

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Post by Guest Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:26 am

Natalie Portman wrote:
Betty La Fea wrote:
DuringTheWar wrote:"The hopeless fear Warmbier is now experiencing is my daily reality living in a country where white men like him are willfully oblivious to my suffering even as they are complicit in maintaining the power structures which ensure their supremacy at my expense. He is now an outsider at the mercy of a government unfazed by his cries for help. I get it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html

Translation: "If a totalitarian dictatorship sends you to gulag then f*** you white man."

The neo-"liberals" and alt-left are both insane in different ways.


What exactly do you disagree with in that article? Honestly?

Instead of outright dismissing the reality minorities face in the United States, which I feel the article writer is more qualified to discuss than a guy living in the UK honestly, you would be well versed to listen to them so we can all fix this.

That translation you made up is inauthentic, but we can discuss Warmbier's actions, and where exactly they came from. He CHOSE to partake in suffering tourism to get his rocks off in the sick sad world the Il-Sung dynasty has set up. He then CHOSE to break their laws. Warmbier's disregard for Asians ruined his life, and he would have been wise to stay at home where shitting on asians would have got him thumbs up on reddit, and some laughs from his drunk frat bros.


If you genuinely think MINORITIES are horribly mistreated in America, I suspect you've never seen how minorities are treated elsewhere in the world. You need to travel more !

Japan, for example, 97% homogenous population, in 2015 over 5000+ refugees applied for asylum there, only 27 got accepted.

Try being a black person in Japan/China to see what real discrimination is like.

Or be a Christian in a Sunni-controlled country.


No place in the world treats minorities and gives them as many rights and avenues to success as Western Europe, North America, and Oceania does. Absolutely nowhere else comes close.



These are flat out European lies. There are tons of Blacks in Tokyo, they run businesses,scam stupid sexpats out of their money, and make a marked imprint on the culture of the city. Using Asians as some kind of mark on treating brown skinned people bad, when Europeans in 2016 throw bananas at black footballers is just another sign of anti-asian racism.

You can riddle me this though. What do you think Chinese fans, or even their government, would do if a Chinese person was caught racially harassing an international superstar in their country the way Milwall fans did Son, or what Black players face in Ukraine and other places today. You want to see racism? Look at Europe. Chinese people would smash the face in of one of their own caught doing that, and the government would probably do the same if the image got out.

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Post by zigra Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:40 pm

Asian countries are obviously partially racist (and other things) too.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't still speak out against minorities being treated bad in the west.
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Post by Guest Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:52 pm

zigra wrote:Asian countries are obviously partially racist (and other things) too.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't still speak out against minorities being treated bad in the west.


Of course, but a guy in the middle of Europe where they have lived with Africans for CENTURIES and still feel the need to racially abuse them does not get to call out Asia for an example of racism.

The fact he even brought Asians into the conversation, or think they treat people better than them, is a bias that explains why a guy like Warmbier could walk into a despotic nation, break their laws, and think nothing would happen to him. Thats what the article mentions. When privilege disappears, and you are treated like garbage the way everyone else is, then its magically an issue.

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Post by Guest Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:06 pm

Guess it depends where you grow up - I personally feel from my experience (blacks/latin) are mistreated and in a way set up to fail. Stop and frisk for example may not seem terrible, however I am fully aware of how fortunate I was to be light skinned (passable for white). There is definitely a system set up to keep people down - guess it just depends how you define horribly...it is also difficult to compare as in those Asian countries I presume the minorities are more visiting.

Again I will only speak on New York, but these minorities call this city home and still have to feel like they don't belong.


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Post by Unique Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:59 pm

The Black Sheep wrote:Guess it depends where you grow up - I personally feel from my experience (blacks/latin) are mistreated and in a way set up to fail. Stop and frisk for example may not seem terrible, however I am fully aware of how fortunate I was to be light skinned (passable for white). There is definitely a system set up to keep people down - guess it just depends how you define horribly...it is also difficult to compare as in those Asian countries I presume the minorities are more visiting.

Again I will only speak on New York, but these minorities call this city home and still have to feel like they don't belong.

how does it benefit the USA to keep anybody down. I dont understand what could be gained from it.
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Post by Guest Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:06 pm

Is that sarcasm?

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Post by Unique Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:10 pm

The Black Sheep wrote:Is that sarcasm?
no not at all. the more people that work and prosper the better it is for any country. less unemployment. more tax $ being paid. more money for everyone.
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Post by Guest Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:18 pm

I wouldn't know where to begin with such a naive mind. Perhaps I am incorrect, however I don't agree with your statement.

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Post by Unique Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:24 pm

The Black Sheep wrote:I wouldn't know where to begin with such a naive mind. Perhaps I am incorrect, however I don't agree with your statement.
well give me a quick reply as to how it helps the USA to keep people down. if the young black and latino gangs were given a education and jobs they would contribute to society in many ways instead of costing the country millions of $ to stop the drug dealing and crime.
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Post by Guest Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:31 pm

This will be my last reply - I'm talking about high school kids who just want to smoke a joint (or blunt) and because of stop and frisk were (perhaps still are - not where how what they call it now) being put into the system. All because they were born a specific race. Apparently the drug war goes back to Reagan...I believe the story finally came out years ago that it was all propaganda.

I am not your father, so I don't feel responsible to educate you further. I also just get the feeling from the little browsing I do these days that you enjoy the senseless debate of it all.

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Post by Unique Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:40 pm

The Black Sheep wrote:This will be my last reply - I'm talking about high school kids who just want to smoke a joint (or blunt) and because of stop and frisk were (perhaps still are - not where how what they call it now) being put into the system. All because they were born a specific race. Apparently the drug war goes back to Reagan...I believe the story finally came out years ago that it was all propaganda.

I am not your father, so I don't feel responsible to educate you further. I also just get the feeling from the little browsing I do these days that you enjoy the senseless debate of it all.
maybe that's the attitude the US government takes when dealing with the problem then. its never senseless to ask a question. maybe someone else could answer the question.
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Post by Peccadillo Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:45 am

I presume Black Sheep is referring to an uneducated class being easier to control. There are a number of benefactors for a myriad of reasons to keep a lower class in a state of hopelessness.

As one example, Black Sheep appears to be alluding to the drug war which has led to the incarceration of millions of Americans (more than anywhere else in the world. Often due to misdemeanors or otherwise low-level crime. Much of those imprisoned are lower class, and many are black.

So the theory goes; privatisation of prisons means the purpose of said prison has shifted to profit. Profit is driven by volume (of inmates) therefore more inmates = more profit. There appears to be a conflict of interest when you consider government officials potential influence over legislation. It's a conspiracy theory for sure but one cannot argue that there is an issue when the country that incarcerate more than anyone per capita are still putting people away for possession of low-quantity class B substances.
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