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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by Bankz on Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:04 pm

And someone still doubts me? Red card in both legs, one when bayern have the upper hand and a blatant offside goal. FFS!!!

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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by Bankz on Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:20 pm

*clears throat* Laughing
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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by titosantill on Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:54 pm

lol i hope this "luck" doesn't run out....i'll take this "luck" over any tactical set up or technicalities that coaches attempt to strategise these days. i'll definitely take it over the tactically "brilliant" rafa approach......stay lucky zizou, stay lucky
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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:33 pm

Further confirmation of this amazing phenomenon.
Real Madrid may play like complete shit, but they continue to have the trump card of all qualities. Luck.

It's no conincidence that they rarely if ever manage to win a league, being 3rd or 4th in a two team competition, as over the course of a league season the sample size becomes to big.
But the number of CL knockout games that occur is so small that the impact of sheer dumb luck conquers all.

Congratulations are in order.

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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by Valkyrja on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:32 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Further confirmation of this amazing phenomenon.
Real Madrid may play like complete shit, but they continue to have the trump card of all qualities. Luck.

It's no conincidence that they rarely if ever manage to win a league, being 3rd or 4th in a two team competition, as over the course of a league season the sample size becomes to big.
But the number of CL knockout games that occur is so small that the impact of sheer dumb luck conquers all.

Congratulations are in order.


I guess it's easy talking about league titles when you are competing against fodder every weekend. Must explain why the best you've done in the CL since 2013 is getting slapped by the first decent opponent. In 2014 you were nowhere to be found, last year it was the ref, and now luck. What excuse will you find when you play you off the park next season?

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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by Mr Nick09 on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:52 pm

You can't be this lucky that you will win all your CL knockouts ties going on 3 years now.

This is a legendary team on a legendary path, regardless of what Zidane is or is not doing this can't be understated.

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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by Robespierre on Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:36 pm

I don't know if he luck is a proper word. For me he is average coach. But the team is insanely great and that is enough to win it
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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by sportsczy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:02 pm

In his first year and half, Zidane's team was quasi unbeatable in all comps, including La Liga. Going into the season, he had more trophies than losses.

Our players came into the season very complacent and we had little depth due to injuries. That cost us massively in the first 4 months.

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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by Doc on Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:08 pm

Let's not absorb Zidane of any blame now for that 1st half of the season. He had a legit hand in that with player selection and the Zidiamond. Absolutely stubborn man but whatever he is doing nowadays is working. Well, in the CL at least, we still suck in La Liga.

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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by sportsczy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:33 pm

As long as you're looking to feature Marcelo and Ronaldo without losing defensive solidity, you're forced to play a diamond. Reason is that one of the forwards has massive wing defensive responsibilities.

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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by messixaviesta on Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:47 am

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Further confirmation of this amazing phenomenon.
Real Madrid may play like complete shit, but they continue to have the trump card of all qualities. Luck.

It's no conincidence that they rarely if ever manage to win a league, being 3rd or 4th in a two team competition, as over the course of a league season the sample size becomes to big.
But the number of CL knockout games that occur is so small that the impact of sheer dumb luck conquers all.

Congratulations are in order.

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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by vanDEEZ on Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:49 pm

@sportsczy wrote:As long as you're looking to feature Marcelo and Ronaldo without losing defensive solidity, you're forced to play a diamond. Reason is that one of the forwards has massive wing defensive responsibilities.


We don't have to play the diamond, we have seen a flat 4-4-2 be very successful in covering for Marcelo, so I have to disagree.

It's Zidane's stubbornness to play that same horrid diamond that has been figured out.

That's not even getting into his stubbornness in continuing to stand behind players who don't deserve it (Benz, and Bale), and lack of faith in players that at least deserved a chance (Llorente, Ceballos, Asensio to a degree). He may be flipping slightly on the Benz and Bale factor but irreparable damage was done in the first half of our season.
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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by Cruijf on Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:01 pm

idk about "irreparable damage". No one cares about La Liga if you win the CL for the third time in a row and that's what Zidane is two games away from doing. You can win La Liga next season when you've actually had a proper transfer window.

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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by sportsczy on Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:05 pm

He was behind Asensio... but Asensio was EXTREMELY poor until 2018.  Really disappointing actually.  He's the reason we backed out of Mbappe...

Llorente and Ceballos are never...  in a million years...  going to push Casemiro, Kroos and Modric out.  Was never going to happen.  Not to mention Kova is the 4th CM for us.  When we go defensive, we switch to a 442 with Vasquez.

Which brings up your 442 comment.  It doesn't work with Bale, Isco or Asensio.  We tried it with those 3 and they just floated out of position or disappeared.  Are you suggesting we start Vasquez? Not to mention, in a 442... which if Modric, Kroos and Casemiro go wide? None of them can. Casemiro is needed for defense; so you want one of Modric or Kroos to get benched?

433 or a diamond formation are really the best fits for us as base tactics... with the 442 there when we're looking to defend or counter. I assume we all want Asensio or Isco on the pitch... so a diamond it is. BBC forced a 433. 442 calls for Vasquez.

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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by vanDEEZ on Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:41 am

Reducing all the factors of why we didn't get Mbappe to just Asensio is a little naive sports, you're better than that.

And regarding the first half of the season- frankly, ZZ could have done a lot more to change things up. Instead he drove that Zidaimond into the ground until it crashed and burned. If players aren't performing, as a manager it is your duty to try alternatives.

Like I said we did well with a flat 4-4-2 (and to answer your question you drop Casemiro out of the midfield 3- he is not needed in every LL game), the 4-3-3 IMO is better and all the personnel changes that could have been made in between, but the figured out Zidaimond with the same tactics was what we got, and the main reason we dropped so many points in embarrassing fashion.

And honestly the Zidaimond would work, but he gives Isco faaaaar too much freedom, where he encroaches on everyone's space and leaves massive gaps where he shouldn't.
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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by titosantill on Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:10 am

lol i really don't remember mbappe deal having anything to do with asensio- whether we signed mbappe or not asensio was staying, coming off the bench. @vandeez we had to force that formation in the first half of the season cos of fitness. cristiano was suspended so couldn't play a clear 4 3 3 cos isco's not a winger, then benzema got injured early on, when the spanish media realized having an unproven back up was foolish, then bale too had his usual sabbatical. our biggest problem was not doing our homework in the summer and thinking our s*** didn't stink after the "friendly" against barcelona
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Re: Is zidane the luckiest man alive?

Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:12 am

correction, we can't play 433 with isco as a winger because zidane is useless as a coach. He does it just fine with Spain, it's all about how you set up your guys to play

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