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Post by RealGunner on Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:35 pm

What is the plan? have they accepted Madrid as the superior team and given up? why are they targeting technically average midfielders like Serri and Paulinho?

Are they out of cash or out of ideas?


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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:42 pm

Is Seri 'technically average'?

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Kaladin on Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:57 pm

-They hired Ariedo Braida, a genius director who's brought the likes of Valter Birsa and Urby Emanuelson.

-Messi doesn't have time between family, football and tax lawsuits, his minimal scouting is limited to Snapchat/Youtube etc

-Beyond players that spent a night in La Masia, they do not know how to assess players, i mean im pretty sure Semedo was a flavor of the month thing with no extensive scouting, they've been on Bellerin since forever
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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by RealGunner on Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:03 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Is Seri 'technically average'?


Yup.
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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:03 pm

You could have started this thread 5 years ago and it would still be relevant

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Thimmy on Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:19 pm

8-9 years ago, members of these forums were bragging about how La Masia would churn out world beaters for years to come. Anyone who disagreed were idiots and knew nothing about football Laughing

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Valkyrja on Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:24 pm

To be honest, the La Masia products they let go, bellerin and thiago would have probably solved their RB and CM problems already Laughing

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by chad4401 on Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:30 pm

@Thimmy wrote:8-9 years ago, members of these forums were bragging about how La Masia would churn out world beaters for years to come. Anyone who disagreed were idiots and knew nothing about football Laughing


True instead to prove you know something about football everyone must act like dribbler whores, cause everyone missed the xavi-ini-busq hype train, so every mid with decent technical ability is god send and the kroos, and casemiro's of the world are all bang average no?

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:59 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:To be honest, the La Masia products they let go, bellerin and thiago would have probably solved their RB and CM problems already Laughing
Bellerin was not so much let go, Arsenal took him as a 16 year old when Barca couldn't offer them a pro contract. Thiago I completely agree with.

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:40 pm

They still have Piqué, Messi, Busquets, Iniesta, Rafinha, Sergi Roberto and now again Deulofeu as Masia players who are part of their first team. Munir and Samper aren't gone either.
Which other club has so many academy players in their squad?

And we're talking about a first team which won the strongest league in the world 3 out of 5 times in the  last 5 years, won three CLs and were constantly a top 2, if not the no.1, team
all during the last decade.

And then, the crop before incuding Xavi was so strong that even a world class talent like Thiago left for lack of opportunities.
Which is a natural bybroduct of a very strong and successful team - lack of opportunities for the succeeding youth age groups.

So all around Europe, La Masia players are playing at very good clubs - Bartra a starter for Dortmund, Grimaldo a starter for Porto, Bellerin at Arsenal, Thiago at Bayern, Pedro and Fabregas at the English champions Chelsea, Sandro at Everton, Tello at Fiorentina, Bojan at Mainz etc.

Criticizing Barca for their academy and its perceived failings is frankly absolutely laughable.
@Thimmy is just mad that his beloved Ödegaard can't even cut it at Hengelo, after having been ruined by Real's youth setup

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Valkyrja on Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:11 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:They still have Piqué, Messi, Busquets, Iniesta, Rafinha, Sergi Roberto and now again Deulofeu as Masia players who are part of their first team. Munir and Samper aren't gone either.
Which other club has so many academy players in their squad?

And we're talking about a first team which won the strongest league in the world 3 out of 5 times in the  last 5 years, won three CLs and were constantly a top 2, if not the no.1, team
all during the last decade.

And then, the crop before incuding Xavi was so strong that even a world class talent like Thiago left for lack of opportunities.
Which is a natural bybroduct of a very strong and successful team - lack of opportunities for the succeeding youth age groups.

So all around Europe, La Masia players are playing at very good clubs - Bartra a starter for Dortmund, Grimaldo a starter for Porto, Bellerin at Arsenal, Thiago at Bayern, Pedro and Fabregas at the English champions Chelsea, Sandro at Everton, Tello at Fiorentina, Bojan at Mainz etc.

Criticizing Barca for their academy and its perceived failings is frankly absolutely laughable.
@Thimmy is just mad that his beloved Ödegaard can't even cut it at Hengelo, after having been ruined by Real's youth setup


Our youth setup destroyed Odegaard??? He was playing for Castilla and training with the first team on his terms. And it's the club's fault he couldn't even outperform the likes of Febas and Mayoral who by the way flopped for Wolfsburg?

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by halamadrid2 on Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:26 pm

Mayoral and Febas aren't even his competitors lol

Odeegard did not flop, just like a number of our youth players he's had to leave be cause Castilla right now is filled with average players so he needs to be playing for a more quality team to improve as a player

I am surprised Barca haven't dipped into LaMasia, they sailed into Segunda B, I am sure there's at least a player in there who can be promoted and do a better job than Arda/Gomes etc.
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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Doc on Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:36 pm

Bojan is at Mainz? Damn, good for him. Has he done well there?

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:39 pm

Laughing

he only came in January and I think he has done okay-ish

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Doc on Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:47 pm

Neat. Anyway, Barcelona would be fine. Their problems aren't actually issues that warrant their fans to be so over the top but it is what it is. Not sure what they are seeing in Paulinho or Serri but they did address a major issue in purchasing a "rated" RB (or a RB in general).

As for midfielders, unless they dip into La Masia to see what latest CM is there, they are gonna have to realise a lot of footballers are not anywhere close to Xavi or can play exactly how they want a midfielder to be like.

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Post by halamadrid2 on Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:49 pm

Oh and speaking of Barca and trusting their youth. The current backbone of their line up being from LaMasia is just a purple patch in their history. They've always been a buying club all throughout their history

Thimmy is quite right in his opinion. Barca were the Spanish Liverpool before Messi arrived. Let's call a spade a spade here. Messi has been able to paper over alot of cracks and cover for shit players like Valdez, Pique, Alba, Pedro, Fabregas et al. When he leaves they'll get back to trying to buy success like they always have
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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Doc on Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:02 pm

Well, and I'm paraphrasing my Barca peeps here, it really started with Laporta and signing Ronaldinho along with bringing back old man Johan into the mix. Windkick and others would know way more.

I am absolutely positive though, if the likes of Gaspard were still in charge, Messi would have left Barcelona a lot earlier since Pique actually left to go to Utd.

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Kick on Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:07 am

I kind of like what they're doing, tbh

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Valkyrja on Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:20 pm

@Kick wrote:I kind of like what they're doing, tbh


You're not the only one tbh. I love what they're doing

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by BarcaLearning on Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:17 pm

Ive accepted for a while that Barcas era has ended really, Enrique's treble and then double was really a bonus and extended our reign for a few more years than expected. Now things are only really happening the way an end of era should be if thats right to say?

Looking at Real, not only are their team better, but their transfers so far are also better, among other things. Not sure if its just down to our board where everyone says they are clueless, but they definitely dont look like doing anything right or good now.
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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Thimmy on Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:36 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:I still have a boner for Barcelona  Heart  Heart

Criticizing Barca for their academy and its perceived failings is frankly absolutely laughable.
@Thimmy is just mad that his beloved Ödegaard can't even cut it at Hengelo, after having been ruined by Real's youth setup


The hell is Hengelo? Razz He's doing fine. Real Madrid have voiced their concern over his lack of playing time at Herenveen, but he's played well on the occasion that I've had the time to watch him/them play recently. His vision, and silky, weighted passes are still top tier quality in my opinion, and that's not something you can be taught so easily. He just has to keep developing and hopefully find a club that actually needs a playmaker.

- Ødegaard was just handed kit number 10, and will be a regular starter on the team next season. I suppose he can cut it at Hengelo, after all hmm


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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Hapless_Hans on Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:16 pm

What exactly are Barca doing?

ffs

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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:37 pm

In fairness Hans, someone meeting a ridiculous release clause isn't really something they are in control of.


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Re: What exactly are Barcelona doing?

Post by Hapless_Hans on Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:39 pm

It's not, true.

But ultimately it's up to the player's wish. Clubs can meet release clauses every day if the player does not want to move. So what I wonder is why they can't keep Neymar happy at Barca?

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:41 pm

That's true, that they are definitely in control of that.

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