GAME OF THRONES - PART 8 - *NO BOOK TALK - READ THE RULES*

Ghost kills Drogon confirmed


EDIT: Spoiler alert.

Jon impregnates Dany confirmed

Director pretty much says that he and the writers were lazy with the timeline.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-6-beyond-the-wall-timeline-director-1202534403/

Freeza wrote:I don't understand this obsession with wanting characters to die like crazy.

Do we not have another season and a 80 minute finale to go.

The next season should probably feature some good guys that are able to fight to make the fight against the NK somewhat even.




Beric survived to offer his character some actual meaning before his eventual death. He only has one life left and I feel it would be cheap to kill him the same episode as his drunk priest healer. Jorah was the logical choice to kill if anyone, he's served a lot of his purpose in the story so far, but it would also cheapen his whole grey scale storyline to die.

The Hound survived because unresolved story with The Mountain.

Jon survived because main character and hero of the story.

Tormund could've died, but it would feel weird to kill him without getting more out of his constant Brienne talk.

Thoros was the only death that made sense out of that group imho.

Another top post. Reason why I always read GL after episodes even after spending hours on Reddit.

LeVersacci wrote:Final EP title: The Dragon and the Wolf

I know it's foreshadowing Dany and Jon being the stars of the episodes but they need to at least show us Ghost. Even just for a few seconds.

Chills whenever i hear this theme

It's not that characters need to die for the sake of dying, it's that when you put them in incrsibly dangerous positions and they come out alive each time it strains belief. For instance Bronn dodging dragon fire by a hair twice. Or Tormund being drowned by 5 wights only to be saved by only Sandor like its nothing. The constant plot armor actually decreases suspense because you know everyone important or likeable enough will make it out alive.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:It's not that characters need to die for the sake of dying, it's that when you put them in incrsibly dangerous positions and they come out alive each time it strains belief. For instance Bronn dodging dragon fire by a hair twice. Or Tormund being drowned by 5 wights only to be saved by only Sandor like its nothing. The constant plot armor actually decreases suspense because you know everyone important or likeable enough will make it out alive.

Exactly. Remember when Oberyn got his head smashed for letting his guard down? Remember when Ned got his head chopped off because of his stupid decisions? Remember Robb getting stabbed in the heart and having his whole army obliterated because he broke an oath with a notoriously stingy man?

It would have been "cool" to have Oberyn survive, spearhead the Dornish rebellion and eventually end up fighting White Walkers beyond the Wall but that was not the show was like. Keyword: was

Tormund survived because he is the only wildling they bothered to develop and give screentime to and they need him for the final arc. Thats why they added some random no names to get killed of while the characters we know survive (except Thoros).

It's just that Ned and Oberyn dying actually made the story better and had an effect on more characters.

Ned dying set everything in motion and upon a rewatch he's really the main catalyst for everyone's storyline from there on.

Oberyn dying also moved the story on. If he'd won without dying no one could really have stopped him, could they?

If Beric died, what would it add to the story? He isn't ready to die yet, his moment will come soon.

If Tormund died the entire wildling storyline would be pretty much done with and we'd have "wasted" so much time with that storyline and have no real way to get a POV there.

The Hound dying would also not add much, his whole character has been built up around his vengeance and hate against his brother. That would all be taken away from us. If The Hound had kids like Ned and Oberyn who could take over from there, it would make more sense.

I don't feel like anyone aside from Jorah dying would add any drama to the story and make it better. Jorah's death could maybe add something to Dany's storyline.

I really don't think it would add anything to the story killing any of the characters aside from Jorah.

And there really hasn't been as much random killing as you seen to imply.

Hardhome was the same kind of mission, and no one died.
No character of importance died at Blackwater either.

Both huge episodes and beloved, but no characters died in those battles.




If you guys could please explain, why they should die and what it would actually add to the story? This story has never been about random killings. The deaths have always been to serve the storytelling.

Its not that they 'should die' it just cheapens the suspense like BC said, completely agree

It might be less suspenseful. But imagine rewatching the show and just see a bunch of characters appear and just know their storylines don't really matter.

Will be worse off.

Being shocked is only something that's possible on the first watch imo.

You are all missing the point. Jon Snow can't die. lord of light is protecting him.

till he kills that ice dude of course.

Mamad wrote:You are all missing the point. Jon Snow can't die. lord of light is protecting him.

till he kills that ice dude of course.

We're talking about the writing logic not the show's internal logic.

In the show it's obvious Snow isn't going to die and Berit explicitly stated that LOL had plans for their lives.

aha

It's not like the story would have been stale with those characters, just different.

Endgame prediction time: Cersei will lose everything (the kingdom, supporters, Jaime, titles, etc) BUT her life and new baby... Who, after all the incest finally catches up with them,  will be a dwarf.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Endgame prediction time: Cersei will lose everything (the kingdom, supporters, Jaime, titles, etc) BUT her life and new baby... Who, after all the incest finally catches up with them,  will be a dwarf.

No wildfire?

My prediction: The white walkers are defeated, Cersei is dead, Jon and Dany get married and live happily ever after (:

It's possible the wildfire will play a role on how she loses everything, although she seems to be doing fine without it

M99 wrote:My prediction: The white walkers are defeated, Cersei is dead, Jon and Dany get married and live happily ever after (:

My prediction:

Tormund, Hound, Jaimie, Tyrion, Jorah, Jon, Arya, Sansa, Ghost, Bran and Dany die.

We have to watch Cersei, Qyburn and The Mountain for a season running from Walkers

Rewatched some of season 1 again. Losing Robert Baratheon really hurt the comedy.
On re-watches he's probably a top 5 character for me in the show.

Top posts @BC and @M99. Completely agree. Its funny because I had written something similar. But then in the last moment decided against not posting it owing to you know certain guys's displeasure on here. Some pople just can't see anyone criticizing GoT. I understand the sentiments and reasoning behind it. There's no show like this. Its incredible spectacle. Fan favorite characters, top tier entertainment and what not.

M99 wrote:
It would have been "cool" to have Oberyn survive, spearhead the Dornish rebellion and eventually end up fighting White Walkers beyond the Wall but that was not the show was like. Keyword: was

And This. This. This.
Anyone saying S8 will suffer if we kill off interesting characters such as Tormund and Hound have to read this.
Oberyn example is perfect. Because, the ones who came after him to represent that house were otter imbeciles, in the show that is. I know the Dorne arc in the books is pretty good. But do the Sand snakes or Doran Martel or anyone from that region even half as good as Oberyn in terms of sheer GOATness? Yet he was killed off.
Show didnt care back then about what the fans wanted. And that showed cos they delivered quality continuously. Now it seems there's only fan pleasing week after week. Plot is thrown out of the window as per the convenience and needs of the major characters who are left.

Freeza wrote:
If you guys could please explain, why they should die and what it would actually add to the story? This story has never been about random killings. The deaths have always been to serve the storytelling.

Man. That not the point. None of us are saying they should randomly kill off great characters. Its exactly what @BC said. If they are putting these people in improbable situations, they simply shouldnt survive. Or at least not survive like repeatedly, every friggin time. If they dont want to kill off people like Jon and Dany, its fine. We get it. At least please dont come up with silly plots each week for them to 'get in danger and narrowly escape'. We know they will escape from everything and will be hanging around for for the final episode(s) of S8. So please dont take the viewers for fools, thats all.

Most of this criticism applies word by word to the books. They are full of Jon and Dany surviving ridiculous odds and have their share of hollywood-type last minute saving of them and other main characters.

"Royalty from Dragonstone rushes north, past Eastwatch, beyond the wall, to save Jon from unbelivable odds in the middle of an army in the last minute."

Is that Dany/Dragons in season 7 or is that Stannis in the books? literally the same situation.

The story is coming to an end they can't just kill off every named character out there like before. We need people to carry the story and its too late to introduce too many new ones. Even then, every conflict this season has led to casualties so I don't understand much of the fuss about that.

Ellaria and her daughter died. Yara got captured. Olenna died. Randyll and Dickon died. Thoros died.

I wonder, if Jon burned himself alive and everything around him in the show to kill the NK in some sort of sacrificial situation. Then proceeded to walk out alive from the fire like its nothing. Would people complain that he is alive because of the happy ending and they just didn't want to kill him?

This happened in the books, and show, with fellow Targaryen Dany, and it was awesome.

Now it feels like the sort of thing that would get complaints from the show because of failing to kill a main character in impossible odds.

I dont know. Let's see. In the first 4 seasons (which is rightly considered as the peak of the show), how many times has Jon met with narrow escapes?!

1. Stannis's party saving him from Mance and co.
2. Halfhand sacrificing his life to save Jon (which we can sort of put in this I guess)
3. One of Craster's wife-daughter saving Jon during the 1 on 1 battle with that GOAT brother of the NW who turned rogue
4. When climbing the wall
5. Escaping from the wildlings with a couple of arrow wounds from Ygritte

From S5 on wards.
1. Rebirth
2. Battle of Bastards, shitload of arrows flying around and everyone except him dying.
3. Again BoB, when the charging cavalry was going to take him down just in time to be saved by his own forces coming from behind
4. BoB when he was getting stampeded (albeit probably being the best set piece ever in the history of GoT, still Jon managed to escape in the end from the scuffle somehow)
5. Last episode during the battle with the zombies
6. Last episode while drowning that too with a couple of wights in his company.
7. Benjen ex machina
8. Lastly, the white walker fight during Hardhome. Likewise the stampede part during BoB this too was done brilliantly. So, no complaints eventho Jon still cheated death. (When the WW plunged the ice sword into the Thenn's heart, even when Jon's first sword broke to pieces, WW didnt just do same and only kicked him down).

Points 4 and 8 were executed almost flawlessly. So, can be taken off this list. Still we are talking about 6 in nearly 3 seasons compared to 5 in 4. I may have missed one or 2 here and there. But still I do pretty much believe, this isnt the same as it was before. And we arent talking about a Tyrion or a Davos who rarely goes into dying situations. Jon's been out in the wild and into such situations from the 1st season itself.