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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Luca on Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:13 pm

I think Cuadrado and Mandzukic is actually more due to defensive tactics than attacking ones. Bernardeschi is known to track back but Douglas Costa is not.

For the 4-2-3-1 to work, the wingers must be able to defend and help out the defence. Really, I think our squad is built around Dybala too much right now. If he has a good game, were great. If he's poor, or average, or marked really hard, were god awful going forward. Player like Douglas Costa and Bernardeschi have more ability to open space for Dybala because they're much more dynamic players compared with Cuadrado, who is a more traditional, one dimensional winger and Mandzukic, who is a striker.

I think we have to give Sporting credit because they got their tactics right but we did not impose our will onto this match until we were losing. We have trailed in 3 of our 4 CL matches this season. Our defence is not what it was and while these mistakes are not indicative of losing Bonucci, we are making uncharacteristic, self-inflicted errors and starting these matches with an uphill fight every time.

I don't like a double pivot of Pjanic-Khedira. To be honest, it's good for games in Serie A when we are facing a team that will park the bus and lacks the pace to damage us on the counter attack, and while this same tandem led us to a CL final last season, I don't like it. Pjanic is built for a three man midfield. The problem is then, we sacrifice an attacker. It's a difficult balance to find right now.

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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Warrior on Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:28 pm

HIGUAIN
BERNAR-DYBALA
PJANIC-MARCHISIO-KHEDIRA
SANDRO-CHIELLINI-RUGANI-HOWEDES
BUFFON

Would like to see what this does against top teams, best compromise between attack and defense.

Our 3 best attackers on the field, the 2 AMs can switch to wingers if needed and they also like to track back. Midfield 3, i agree is the safest option. It also frees Pjanic from defensive duties and makes him more threatening attacking-wise.

It will take time but eventually it will come to this, i think.
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by S on Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:31 pm

That lineup looks good except for Khedira's inclusion. No Khedira pls. Deport him to MLS or Newcastle

Matuidi is comfortably better and he should be starting each game ideally.
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Luca on Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:32 pm

I don't think there is a scenario which has a healthy Mandzukic and Cuadrado hit the bench.

I think we ride out the storm with what we have. I think we see a few players leave this summer and we head a new direction
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Warrior on Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:36 pm

Forgot about Matuidi :facepalm: Yes it's a much better fit in that Christmas tree.

Mandzukic or Cuadrado are good enough for Serie A, i know Allegri loves them a lot, and tbh i do too. But i don't think they are part of our best possible XI.
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Luca on Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:11 pm

Cuadrado and Mandzukic are easily among our best performers this season. I know they're only scapegoated because we have Bernardeschi and Douglas Costa in reserve but that doesn't mean its just.

Not to mention, Douglas Costa and Bernardeschi surely are not matching the defensive contribution of Cuadrado and Mandzukic. Mandzukic also brings a big physical presence, we don't win the game against Sporting in Torino without him.

Not to mention, its hard to justify these thoughts right now. Were in good shape in both Europe and Serie A.
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Tomwin Lannister on Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

@Luca wrote:I don't think there is a scenario which has a healthy Mandzukic and Cuadrado hit the bench.

I think we ride out the storm with what we have. I think we see a few players leave this summer and we head a new direction


if we're locked with a coach that can not fathom benching an out of position CF and a very very offensively limited Cuadrado then i'd like a new on in the Summer, to ensure a new direction.

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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Luca on Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:46 pm

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just lending rationale to the situation. Mandzukic and Cuadrado have been very strong performers for us, past and presently, the only reason we discuss them is because of Bernardeschi and Douglas Costa. I completely understand but at the same time, I'm not against how Allegri is managing everyone's minutes. I think its too focused on Higuain, Mandzukic and Dybala, they shouldn't be immune to rotation, or else there is not point in having such attacking depth.

At the end of the day, were scoring goals at a rate we haven't in 50 years in the league. I'ts impressive any which way you spin it. In Europe, we never make it easy and we don't have the easiest group. We do well in Europe and get rewarded with Barcelona in group play, and then we got battered in our first game.

The defence is more worthy of scrutiny right now, with the constant rotation of our central defenders, lack of a RB and Alex Sandro uncharacteristically not playing his best
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Kaladin on Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:44 am

Wow, Juve look dodgy on points with that group, did not expect

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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Luca on Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:48 am

The points are fine, its the performances that have been really quite poor so far. Leaking goals and not creating chances.

Were going with last year's blueprint with better substitutions in attack and defence but it's not looking so great right now
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Luca on Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:45 pm



I saw this on Reddit and thought it was worth sharing. If the group stage ended today, these would be the odds for who each team would draw based on their standing.

-Two teams from the same country cannot play each other
-Two teams from the same group cannot play each other
-Runner ups play winners

Kind of cool, we would most likely be playing an English team
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Kaladin on Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:48 pm

Messi benched

wtf

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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Kaladin on Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:49 pm



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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Collblanc on Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:52 pm

inb4 juve wins, messi starts following city players on instagram and a shitstorm to unfold
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Luca on Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:56 pm

Were without Chiellini so its about equal hmm
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Robespierre on Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:00 pm

Expected Juve victory after it
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Myesyats on Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:01 pm

Did not expect that. Kinda weird hmm
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Kaladin on Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:04 pm

@Robespierre wrote:Expected Juve victory after it


Yep, Allegri has a great record against Barca also

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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Luca on Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:05 pm

Welcome brothers, didn't think we'd ever have the belief of both ES and robes

If you jinx us, I'll be extremely disappointed
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by halamadrid2 on Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:06 pm

Even if Barca lose they'll be first unless Juve do a Sweden and beat Barca 8-0. Barca are playing Valencia at the Mestalla this weekend. After what happened last season and Valencia's new found purple patch it seems logical to rest Messi. I don't understand the head scratching, seems like a great decision. Valverde just taking a leaf out of his mentor's book and rotates Messi to keep him fresh at the business end of the season
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Luca on Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:09 pm

@halamadrid2 wrote:Even if Barca lose they'll be first unless Juve do a Sweden and beat Barca 8-0. Barca are playing Valencia at the Mestalla this weekend. After what happened last season and Valencia's new found purple patch it seems logical to rest Messi. I don't understand the head scratching, seems like a great decision. Valverde just taking a leaf out of his mentor's book and rotates Messi to keep him fresh at the business end of the season


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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Collblanc on Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:10 pm

hoping for a entertaining 2-2 and messi coming on in the 80th minute for some headlines in the morning 2-3 FT
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Collblanc on Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:13 pm

its a shame harmonica wont be here tonight tho ;(
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Harmonica on Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:30 pm

Good that I put money on Juventus before this.

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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by Myesyats on Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:36 pm

@Collblanc wrote:hoping for a entertaining 2-2 and messi coming on in the 80th minute for some headlines in the morning 2-3 FT

Nah, they're not gonna put the ball past ter Stegen.
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Re: Champions League Group Stage - Group D

Post by The Demon of Carthage on Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:20 pm

Messi's passing accuracy is a gift from God. I honestly haven't seen anybody in my lifetime with such an astonishing ability of threading millimeter-perfect-tailored-to-perfection passes.

Amazing. Just amazing.

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