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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:28 pm

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@Casciavit wrote:Cristiano will win, his form in the knockout rounds last year was insane. Probably one of the most clutch CL campaigns ever.


He SHOULD win but its not confirmed. Messi's hattrick has put the hype back on him just like CR's hattrick against Sweden in 2013.


And that was a joke too, Messi doesn't deserve shit lol.

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by halamadrid2 on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:31 pm

There is no debate. Ronaldo will probably win it by a landslide. Depending on whether RM/Barca win the CL this season it'll probably be those two again next season. Though the WC winner might get some sympathy votes. Unless it's Isco Disco of course Proud
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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by M99 on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:33 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I like how people still believe the WC actually means anything with regards to this unless Messi wins it.

When the last team a WC winner won it lol? Cannavaro?

GL pls.


Germany did not have a Ronaldo/Cannavaro/Zidane in their campaign. It was a collective effort so they only got Neuer in the top 3.

Same with Spain, Villa carried them to the semis but after that he kinda faded and they grinded out 1-0s.

Fun fact: Netherlands's best player Sneijder actually won the Balon D Or in 2010 (journalists vote) but since it got merged with FIFA WPOTY he did not even make the top 3 and Messi won it.

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by RealGunner on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:34 pm

M99 is right. Ronaldo SHOULD win it as he deserves it but Messi having a great world cup will make this a 50-50 battle.


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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:34 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I like how people still believe the WC actually means anything with regards to this unless Messi wins it.

When the last team a WC winner won it lol? Cannavaro?

GL pls.


But that was in the "FIFA Ballon d'Or" era. It was basically a popularity contest as the coaches and captains of most countries just voted for their favorite players. If you looked at the way the journalists voted, for instance, Iniesta won it in 2010. In 2014 Cristiano won by a wide margin, but the journalists voted for Neuer in 2nd place, not Messi. Now that the Ballon d'Or is back in the hands of only the journalists their opinion is the only one that matters, and historically they've always rewarded the WC winner.

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:35 pm

@RealGunner wrote:M99 is right. Ronaldo SHOULD win it as he deserves it but Messi having a great world cup will make this a 50-50 battle.




Eh? World Cup is in 2018 lol.

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by RealGunner on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:35 pm

VAGI.

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:37 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I like how people still believe the WC actually means anything with regards to this unless Messi wins it.

When the last team a WC winner won it lol? Cannavaro?

GL pls.


But that was in the "FIFA Ballon d'Or" era. It was basically a popularity contest as the coaches and captains of most countries just voted for their favorite players. If you looked at the way the journalists voted, for instance, Iniesta won it in 2010. In 2014 Cristiano won by a wide margin, but the journalists voted for Neuer in 2nd place, not Messi. Now that the Ballon d'Or is back in the hands of only the journalists their opinion is the only one that matters, and historically they've always rewarded the WC winner.


News flash: It still is a popularity contest and won't change till Messi and Ronaldo retire/grow old.

Seriously how many years do we need to go through this before people realise this.

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by M99 on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:38 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I like how people still believe the WC actually means anything with regards to this unless Messi wins it.

When the last team a WC winner won it lol? Cannavaro?

GL pls.


But that was in the "FIFA Ballon d'Or" era. It was basically a popularity contest as the coaches and captains of most countries just voted for their favorite players. If you looked at the way the journalists voted, for instance, Iniesta won it in 2010. In 2014 Cristiano won by a wide margin, but the journalists voted for Neuer in 2nd place, not Messi. Now that the Ballon d'Or is back in the hands of only the journalists their opinion is the only one that matters, and historically they've always rewarded the WC winner.


Nah Sneijder won in 2010, Ribery in 2013.

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:39 pm

Sure, but the journalists have always been the more even handed voters, and it will show. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I agree CR is a lock for 2017 though.

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:40 pm

@M99 wrote:
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@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I like how people still believe the WC actually means anything with regards to this unless Messi wins it.

When the last team a WC winner won it lol? Cannavaro?

GL pls.


But that was in the "FIFA Ballon d'Or" era. It was basically a popularity contest as the coaches and captains of most countries just voted for their favorite players. If you looked at the way the journalists voted, for instance, Iniesta won it in 2010. In 2014 Cristiano won by a wide margin, but the journalists voted for Neuer in 2nd place, not Messi. Now that the Ballon d'Or is back in the hands of only the journalists their opinion is the only one that matters, and historically they've always rewarded the WC winner.

Nah Sneijder won in 2010, Ribery in 2013.
Ahh you're right, I just remembered it was not Messi.

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by Kaladin on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:44 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Sure, but the journalists have always been the more even handed voters, and it will show. I guess we'll have to wait and see.


I wonder who Guillem Balague would vote for?

Or if that manc guy that Mendy destroyed on Twitter will ever *nominate* Mendy?

If anything, they're underhanded
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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by Casciavit on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:44 pm

@M99 wrote:
@Casciavit wrote:Cristiano will win, his form in the knockout rounds last year was insane. Probably one of the most clutch CL campaigns ever.


He SHOULD win but its not confirmed. Messi's hattrick has put the hype back on him just like CR's hattrick against Sweden in 2013.


Nah different scenarios.

In 2013, there wasn't a clear leader. Messi kept getting injured, and Ribery didn't have enough media hype. Add in the Blatter controversy and the voting extension, along with Ronaldo's hattrick vs Sweden and that was enough to get him the win.

But Ronaldo's performance convinced the players to vote for him. I'm pretty sure Ribery win the journalist vote in 2013.

So yeah, I highly doubt Messi's performance versus Ecuador had the same effect. In fact, I'd say Ronaldo's performance against Sweden got more hype than Messi vs Ecuador did.

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:48 pm

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@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Sure, but the journalists have always been the more even handed voters, and it will show. I guess we'll have to wait and see.


I wonder who Guillem Balague would vote for?

Or if that manc guy that Mendy destroyed on Twitter will ever *nominate* Mendy?

If anything, they're underhanded

I'd take Balague over Roy Hodgson voting for Mascherano and some random asian manager voting for Yaya Toure tbh.

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by Casciavit on Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:02 pm

Yeah, journalists are MUCH BETTER voters than players/coaches.


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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by RealGunner on Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:13 pm

Either way, both sets are biased.
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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:21 pm

The number one issue is if you ask 10 people the criteria for the award you would get 10 different answers.

I see it as an MVP type award, the top individual who contributed the most to team success.

But quite clearly a lot of people don't agree.

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by Luca on Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:55 am

Big baller Benz just scored his first goal of the season. Ballon d’or confirmed

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Re: 2017 Ballon d'Or

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:10 am

Nah dude, we already established DMs never win

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