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Post by Robespierre on Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:59 pm

Gian Piero Ventura is The Grinch.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:05 pm

Gian Piero Ventura: Marco Veratti who i hate you, Claudio Marchisio i hate you, Lorenzo Insigne i hate you.

Hate, hate, hate, double hate..... loath entirelyyyyy.

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by The Black Sheep on Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:40 pm

Yes let us blame the refs for leaving it till our last game to clinch. Italy has been sub par the last few world cups and this will hopefully serve as a wake up call.


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Post by Unique on Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:53 pm

@The Black Sheep wrote:Yes let us blame the refs for leaving it till our last game to clinch. Italy has been sub par the last few world cups and this will hopefully serve as a wake up call.

I thought you were American scratch

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:56 pm

OHNE ITALIEN... FAHRN WIR ZUR WM

rofl rofl

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by DeviAngel on Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:52 pm

playing Candreva, Gabbiadini when you have in form SES, Belotti and Bernardeschi on the bench, not calling Marchisio, Parolo Laughing .....

Not wanting to play Jorginho until now....man he needed to be sacked long time agoooo

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by Robespierre on Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:59 pm

Bernardeschi was crap too, it'd have changed nothing.
Stop to overrate Italan young "talents" tbh
Not sure if Matchisio is still a football player then
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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by Firenze on Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:01 pm

of course the manager with his clownish decisions takes most of the responsibility, but the players have to take blame too, a lot of very poor performances out there. Team looked incredibly unbalanced, but I saw a lot of stupid decisions tonight from players in the final third. Nothing but crosses and shots from stupid angles.
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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by Luca on Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:04 pm

@Firenze wrote:of course the manager with his clownish decisions takes most of the responsibility, but the players have to take blame too, a lot of very poor performances out there. Team looked incredibly unbalanced, but I saw a lot of stupid decisions tonight from players in the final third. Nothing but crosses and shots from stupid angles.


What do you expect them to do? We played a 3-5-2 with two #9s and no creative midfielders against a team that parked the bus

They still created some ok chances, more so when El Sharaawy was on but it just wasn't enough and it was too little too late

I'm with robes about the players, however, I will argue that it is very unfair to SES/Bernardeschi when they get no minutes in qualifiers prior but are called on when the World Cup is on the line. He also played Bernardeschi on the left, it was gross

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by titosantill on Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:31 pm

ace ventura's might be crap, but italy painfully needs talent, i can't picture any defender being frightened of any of their offensive players. they just have way too many regular players for a team of their stature. and no set-piece specialist
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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by DeviAngel on Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:43 pm

@Robespierre wrote:Bernardeschi was crap too, it'd have changed nothing.
Stop to overrate Italan young "talents" tbh
Not sure if Matchisio is still a football player then


So you think that Candreva was a better choice then the 'overrated Italian talent' Bernardeschi?  Or some formation where Gabi, Insigne and Immobile/Belotti would play? Come on robes

Fit Marchisio > Parolo any *bleep* day.

FFS Conte beat Spain with a midfield consisting of Giaccherini, Parolo and Sturaro Laughing

You drew with us (Macedonia), we dominated the midfield ffs and we suck that is showing that something is missing. Ventura is not the man for Italy and never was...

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by sportsczy on Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:48 pm

This was a long time coming tbh...  group stage exits in 2010 and 2014 followed by not even making the WC in 2018.  Italian football really needs to modernize itself from the youth ranks up.  Not easy.

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by Luca on Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:51 pm

@sportsczy wrote:This was a long time coming tbh...  group stage exits in 2010 and 2014 followed by not even making the WC in 2018.  Italian football really needs to modernize itself from the youth ranks up.  Not easy.


Euros didn't exist?

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:15 pm

FFS I pretty much banked our WC hopes on Italy kicking out Germany.

Oh well another WC title for the future pentachampions...

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by M99 on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:34 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:FFS I pretty much banked our WC hopes on Italy kicking out Germany.

Oh well another WC title for the future pentachampions...


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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by sportsczy on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:37 pm

@Luca wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:This was a long time coming tbh...  group stage exits in 2010 and 2014 followed by not even making the WC in 2018.  Italian football really needs to modernize itself from the youth ranks up.  Not easy.


Euros didn't exist?

That looks more like an aberration as opposed to anything else given Italy's results in all the other competitions.

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by breva on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:47 pm

Ventura inherited a national team that easily dispensed of Belgium and Spain less than two years ago in the euros.  They also only lost on penalty kicks to Germany.  Zaza's clownlike ballet before his penalty kick was hilarious, by the way.  The team, still under Conte's influence tied Spain in the first game during qualification.  The team progressively got worse under Ventura.  Didn't the FIGC notice this?  Ventura should have been replaced after the first few games and certainly after the draw with Spain.  And, he certainly should have replaced after the 3-0 loss to Spain.  It's all the fault of the FIGC that hired Ventura in the first place.  Ventura was a Serie B manager that had not made much money, the 1.4 euro annual salary at the age of 68 was his retirement motherlode that his buddy Tavecchio, who could have given a shit about how the Italian National Team would do at the WC.  Tavecchio even extended Ventura's contract to 2020 so that if Italy went out in the group stage Ventura would continue to recieve the salary after being fired in 2018.  Even Tavecchio could not predict that Ventura would be so bad that Italy would not even qualify.  And, you wonder why Ventura didn't honorably resign like Prandelli and Abete (the head of the FIGC).  He hasn't resigned because he wants to be fired so he will collect the 1.4 million a year until 2020, and Tavecchio won't resign for the same reason.


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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by breva on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:49 pm

@sportsczy wrote:
@Luca wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:This was a long time coming tbh...  group stage exits in 2010 and 2014 followed by not even making the WC in 2018.  Italian football really needs to modernize itself from the youth ranks up.  Not easy.


Euros didn't exist?

That looks more like an aberration as opposed to anything else given Italy's results in all the other competitions.



What other competitions? The euros where they were in the finals? Or the most recent euros where they thrashed Spain and Belgium?
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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by breva on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:50 pm

@sportsczy wrote:
@Luca wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:This was a long time coming tbh...  group stage exits in 2010 and 2014 followed by not even making the WC in 2018.  Italian football really needs to modernize itself from the youth ranks up.  Not easy.


Euros didn't exist?

That looks more like an aberration as opposed to anything else given Italy's results in all the other competitions.



What other competitions? The euros where they were in the finals? Or the most recent euros where they thrashed Spain and Belgium?
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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by Luca on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:50 pm

First time Italy doesn’t make the World Cup in 60 years-> saw it coming because of the World Cup in 2010 and 2014 despite better performances in the 2012 and 2016 Euros.

Hell yeah, let’s make up our own stories. The whole team got the flu over the weekend and that’s why they faked in today’s match.

I’m tired of hearing about generational shifts when our team is better than it was in 2014 and 2016. We went into a Euro with Pelle and Eder as our strikers and there was silence.

Now everyone’s here to pounce because Italy didn’t qualify and it’s just, they didn’t qualify on their own accord but I’m not having it that this is some great culmination of a slew of poor results.

This is a nation that’s played in every World Dup except for the first one and in 1958. This is arguably the biggest shame in Italy’s soccer history (robes will correct me), but I’m not here for the Nostradamus posts here to analyze facets of Italian soccer that y’all have no business discussing.

Just because Italy had a golden generation of players upon us some years ago, doesn’t mean the current team and system should not be qualifying for major tournaments, and I’m not going to have anyone here for a moment think the opposite is true. This is a failure of the most epic proportions, please let it just be that. This result is bad enough without this added nonsense.

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Post by breva on Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:09 pm

Netherlands and Italy can play a lot of friendlies against each other in 2018. Maybe they can invite Chile too.
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Post by Doc on Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:25 pm

Yeah, not exactly buying the whole "saw it coming" angle. They qualified to Euros 2012 and 2014, performing well in both. To me, this non qualification is more of an anomaly than something that was written in the stars. Really doubt this happens again for the Euros.

Results wise, everything was going as expected up until the match against Spain. Since that beating, Italy just looked and played weird. Mind you, the work Conte did with the side was slowly eroding anyway so maybe it was just bound to happen. I thought it actually was at its worst against Albania...till they played Sweden.

Now I know you all talk about Ventura's supposedly awful team selection, his tactics, his hiring and you'll be spot on but it's not like the men he chose were Serie B/Serie C level talent. For those 2 legs, I think Italy played for the most 10 minutes of objectively good football (me being really generous) against a Sweden side that reallyis not that skillful or talented. Ventura is suppose to be fired but the players are equally culpable.

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Post by sportsczy on Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:38 pm

Saw it coming in the sense that Italy relies on players past their prime and have done so for many years now. There's a new talent issue that's been a problem for a long time imo. Those top players still could manage moments (as in Euro 2012 with Pirlo and the defense + the defense in Euro 2016). But that was always going to go away sooner rather than later as time catches up.

Reminds me a lot of what Germany when through around 15-20 years ago. France to a lesser extent from 2008 until 2012.

There's a style and developmental issue in Italy. I really don't see any top talent coming up. And none of them try their luck outside of Serie A to boot.... so everyone is operating in the same system.

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by M99 on Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:40 pm

I "saw it coming" when they were drawn against Sweden and seeing one year of Ventura's dinosaur gameplay. They would have beaten the likes of Northern Ireland and Greece and like I said before even if they had, they would have crashed out of the group stages.

Ventura resigned but that hardly affects the long term future. Tavecchio needs to go ASAP.

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Re: Italy OUT of the WC

Post by Doc on Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:53 pm

Wait, it's official now because ESPN says he has not actually resigned as yet?!

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