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Post by Lord Spencer on Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:25 pm






Back in the early 1990’s, I think my first console was actually the Sega Genesis. My uncle had an SNES, and my cousins had an SNES, but I had a Genesis for some reason. I only had two or three games on the console, one of them Sonic pinball. For some reason, I didn’t get any more games after that.


Instead, I asked my parent to buy me the Nintendo console and never looked back. Simply, having multiple family members with the same console meant we can share the same games.


When I first joined Destructoid, I was in the middle of a personal quest to review all of the best SNES games that I did not play before. In essence, to review the SNES through reviewing its library. After finishing that review series, I decided I would do a similar one for the Genesis; a console I did not give enough of a chance before.



The console design was never the best, and thost gamepads were terrible


As such, I found a list of top 100 Genesis games at Retrosanctuary.com and decided to review the games that interested me in that list. Now, that I have reviewed over 30 Genesis games and have decided on a top 10 list, I think it is time to review the console itself:


Biggest Strengths:


2D Graphics:



This will forever look good


You will find that the Genesis and the SNES share a number of strengths and weaknesses; the biggest shared strength being the fact that both consoles continued pushing the limits of 2D graphics for 16bit games.


Unlike the early polygonal models of the generation after it, the 2D sprites and backgrounds of the fourth generation held up really well. That’s why the majority of the good games on either system still hold up to this day.


They are simply not an assault on your eyes, but look great both now and for their time.


Unique Sound:


I like the 16bit midi music. The Genesis’s sound chip was very different from the SNES, and that meant its sounds while similar in some way, was widely different in others. Decidedly more chip-tune than Nintendo’s console, the Genesis had some unique sounds.


This culminated in the soundtrack for Sonic 2, but also other games like Ecco: The Tides of Time and Phantasy Star IV.


True, the Genesis library did not have any soundtracks that in my opinion could rival the likes of Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Trigger, and Donkey Kong Country. However, its sound was nevertheless a unique strength in some ways.


Strong Arcade Ports:


One aspect that I think the Genesis was superior to the SNES is in its arcade ports. I simply did not care much for the arcade ports on the SNES, but they more or less worked to a better degree on the Genesis.


While I think that Arcade ports are generally not the best games on the console, some people really like those games. In fact, many of the Genesis games cater to that arcade mentality, with a focus on the mastery of limited content rather than having longer and more elaborate games.


Biggest Weaknesses:


Memory:


Like with the SNES, the cartridges of the day meant there was a hard limit to the games on the system. Everything in the game consumed some of that finite memory space, and that had cascading effects on all aspects of game design.


Generally, games had to decided between length and spectacle. Translations from Japanese text was fraught with memory concerns. Content was cut due to space considerations.


Sega actually tried to address that by releasing the lock-on cartridges. Basically, physical expansions that locked into the cartridge of choice; expanding its scope. However, the costs were prohibitive for most people and memory remained a concern for the duration of the console’s lifespan.


Unique Sound:


Wait a minute, didn’t I just put this in as one of the console’s strengths?


The Genesis’s sound design was a double-edged sword, capable of both creating great tunes and some tracks that could be used as enhanced interrogation techniques. Seriously, the number of games with terribly grating sound nearly equals those with great soundtracks.


However, its not only the fact that you could make some abominable music that’s the problem, but also that unless composers were specifically talented, the soundtrack would all muddle into each other with little to no distinction between the various tracks.


The Genesis Add-Ons:



That's a lot of add-ons with limited use


In its competition with the SNES, Sega were almost desperate in the way they wanted to add further power to the Genesis. This culminated in the release of two add-ons to the system, the Sega CD and Sega 32X. Two add-ons that basically split the console’s install base and, in many ways, ruined Sega’s reputation.


Envisioned as a stop-gap to the Sega Saturn, these two add-ons were confusing to customers, having little of value in regards to original games, and ultimately sold miserably.


Perhaps less a weakness to the Genesis and more to Sega itself. The legacy of these add-on is a contribution to the failure of the Saturn.


Limited Strong 3rd Party Support:


You cannot claim that 3rd party support wasn’t available on the Genesis. However, you can claim that 3rd parties kept their A game on the SNES. Generally, ports were ok, but the best games of the generation from Capcom, Squaresoft, Enix, and others have skipped Sega’s console.


Only early on did the Genesis have some strong 3rd party support, but by the end of the console’s lifespan they were singlehandedly carrying it on their back.


That is something that Nintnedo will end up doing in the future.


Top Three Genres:


It’s fascinating to see how two 16it consoles basically ended up catering to the same audience, but also having some differentiating factors. These three genres were generally the best represented (in quantity and quality) on the Genesis:


Platformers:


Sega knew that the battle was to be won on the schoolyards and in what kids wanted for Christmas. Which is why they needed to counteract Nintendo’s mastery of the genre by creating their own mascot platformer; Sonic the Hedgehog.


Outside of Sonic, there weren’t that many great platformers, but there was of course a great number of them.


Action:


The action genre can be divided into three sub genres on the Genesis, all of which were represented well.


Beat ‘em Ups were never my cup of tea, but games like Streets of Rage and Comix Zone are heavily lauded by fans of the genre.


Run & Gun and Action Platformers are ore my style, which is why I enjoyed the Ninja Gaiden series (the last game only), Catlevania: Bloodlines, and of course the two best Run & Gun games on the 16bit era: Gunstar Heroes and Contra: Hard Corps.


Shmups:



I am not one who mastered this complex genre


Another genre that I am not too fond off (mostly because I am not that good in it), but that shines here especially due to the quality arcade ports.


Shmups are basically the scrolling shooters (or Shoot ‘em Up) games that go from slower paced affairs to full on Bullet Hell games. The Genesis’s unique sound was especially appreciated on those games.


Top Three Publishers:


Sega:


It goes without saying that the platform holder is usually one of the top publishers as well. However, in this case its more notable due to the fact that Sega basically single handedly carried the console by itself. Nearly every major game was either developed by Sega or at least published by them.


Desperate for more games to counter the SNES dominance with, Sega published games from a myriad of developers, hitting every genre. Many of those game would go on to become iconic franchises for Sega, but a lot of them have just disappeared with time.


Of the iconic franchises, Sega themselves worked in developing Sonic, Shinobi, and Phantasy Star. But they also published the Shining Force games, Ecco the Dolphin, and all the game developed by Treasure.



Sonic taught Mario how to carry a console on his back


Konami:


Of the legendary Japanese developers of the day, Konami were the only ones to bring their A game to the Genesis. During the 16bit era, it seemed that for every title Konami made for the SNES, they made a similar title (but different) for the Genesis.


Two games that stand out are Contra: Hard Corps, which is one of the best Run & Gun games of the generation, and Castlevania: Bloodlines, which is one of the best Action games of the generation.


Capcom:


It can’t be said that Capcom practically did their best for the Genesis. They were almost forced by Sega to delay a planned Street Fighter II release in order to put in some of the features they were adding for the SNES, and the final version of the game didn’t live up to the legendary status of the game.


Otherwise, they made some really good Arcade ports, such as the port for Strider and Ghouls ‘n Ghosts.


In Conclusion:



Most of these games are not worth your time, but some are real gems


The 16bit generation will always be remembered for the console war between the SNES and the Genesis. This mostly services the Genesis legacy though, as it benefits greatly from its comparison with the giant that is the SNES.


Otherwise, a great number of the Genesis titles are seriously dated today, with many of them not worth the tie and effort to play them.


However, there is still a small number of titles that truly aged well, and those showcases what the Genesis was truly capable off. Those games are still worth playing today.




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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:58 pm

Pretty cool round up tbh, i was too young to remember most of it, as i'm 28 i came into games at the end of the SNES ere and therefore ignored the Genesis mostly except some key games.

My first console was a Sega Saturn lol, then a PS1 and N64 at similar times which is when i really got into it.
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Post by Thimmy on Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:42 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
My first console was a Sega Saturn lol, then a PS1 and N64 at similar times which is when i really got into it.


Those were my first 3 consoles, as well. I remember wanting a Dreamcast, but 'luckily' I never got one Razz

I was wrong. My first console was Sega Genesis, not Saturn. I was in kindergarden at the time, and pretty much the only thing I remember playing on it was Sonic the hedgehog... and a Michael Jackson game where you attacked people by throwing your hat at them Laughing


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Post by Lord Spencer on Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:36 pm

Next system I am reviewing is the Sega Saturn.

It would be the first time for me to play it.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:47 pm

PS+ this month is Bloodborne and Ratchet and Clank

Amazing month, shame I've played them both Laughing
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Post by Thimmy on Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:49 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:PS+ this month is Bloodborne and Ratchet and Clank

Amazing month, shame I've played them both Laughing


That is amazing. I haven't played any of them Very Happy

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Post by RealGunner on Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:58 pm

Definitely try bloodborne
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Post by Firenze on Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:07 pm

nah, too difficult for him and it's not Fifa or COD.
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Post by Thimmy on Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:58 pm

Ah, the "no U". Your creativity level is through the roof, Firsay Very Happy

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Post by M99 on Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:33 am

If any of you played Monster Hunter World...how the f did you beat the Anjanath?

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:41 pm

Detroit: Become Human coming May 25th

I like this new thing Sony seem to be doing only announcing release dates for games when they know it will hit it.

Did the same with GoW too.
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Post by RealGunner on Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:07 pm

@M99 wrote:If any of you played Monster Hunter World...how the f did you beat the Anjanath?


I'll ask if my friend has done it
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Post by M99 on Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:08 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Detroit: Become Human coming May 25th

I like this new thing Sony seem to be doing only announcing release dates for games when they know it will hit it.

Did the same with GoW too.


They still revealed those games two years back. Wish they announced closer to release dates.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:19 pm

Well I agree but still this is a pleasant new direction for them imo.
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Post by Harmonica on Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:32 am

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:47 pm

Been confirmed that Life is Strange 2 will have new characters.

I'll miss Chloe, Max etc etc but it's probably for the best tbh.
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Post by Freeza on Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:08 pm

Have to play that one soon. Got through the first hour and stopped because I had to move to a new place. And I haven't set up my pc yet.

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Post by Doc on Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:15 pm

@Thimmy wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
My first console was a Sega Saturn lol, then a PS1 and N64 at similar times which is when i really got into it.


Those were my first 3 consoles, as well. I remember wanting a Dreamcast, but 'luckily' I never got one Razz

I was wrong. My first console was Sega Genesis, not Saturn. I was in kindergarden at the time, and pretty much the only thing I remember playing on it was Sonic the hedgehog... and a Michael Jackson game where you attacked people by throwing your hat at them Laughing

I know I'm not that old but I actually had the NES as my first ever console with the Duck Hunt and Mario cartridge. Truth be told, down in the "third world", we used to get stuff really late. Then came the SNES and I ended skipping the Gen 1 consoles due to emulators.

Don't have much memories on the Genesis other than Sonic, Aladdin, NBA Jam and Earthworm Jim so to me, it was always behind the SNES in terms of game quality but I always found it looked better without knowing the actual technical aspects of the system. Still though, definitely had some nice gems on it.

Anyway, waiting patiently for Lord Spencer's review on the Sega Saturn.

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Post by Thimmy on Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:35 am

@Doc wrote:
@Thimmy wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
My first console was a Sega Saturn lol, then a PS1 and N64 at similar times which is when i really got into it.


Those were my first 3 consoles, as well. I remember wanting a Dreamcast, but 'luckily' I never got one Razz

I was wrong. My first console was Sega Genesis, not Saturn. I was in kindergarden at the time, and pretty much the only thing I remember playing on it was Sonic the hedgehog... and a Michael Jackson game where you attacked people by throwing your hat at them Laughing

I know I'm not that old but I actually had the NES as my first ever console with the Duck Hunt and Mario cartridge. Truth be told, down in the "third world", we used to get stuff really late. Then came the SNES and I ended skipping the Gen 1 consoles due to emulators.

Don't have much memories on the Genesis other than Sonic, Aladdin, NBA Jam and Earthworm Jim so to me, it was always behind the SNES in terms of game quality but I always found it looked better without knowing the actual technical aspects of the system. Still though, definitely had some nice gems on it.

Anyway, waiting patiently for Lord Spencer's review on the Sega Saturn.


Right, Aladdin! I'd completely forgotten about that game. I'm not sure if I had it, but I definitely played it. I had friends who had NES, and I've fond memories of playing Duck Hunt and Mario as well. I remember that we had to take out the cartridge and blow dust out from the underside of it before inserting it again, whenever a game crashed Laughing Earthworm Jim was a fantastic game, but the first time I played it was on the Playstation.

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Post by Idiot9 on Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:45 pm

Anyone played The Long Dark? Quite a nice survival sandbox game, i tried it last night and died in the middle of nowhere inside a little hut without a door in my sleeping bag due to freezing, i thought i could survive a 3 hour night sleep inside my sleeping bag on minus 20 degrees or something but i thought wrong i guess lol, lost conciousness and died.

Also FrostPunk looks quite interesting but i'm certain my PC can't run it, too fecking demanding!!!!!!!!

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:09 pm

@Idiot9 wrote:Anyone played The Long Dark? Quite a nice survival sandbox game, i tried it last night and died in the middle of nowhere inside a little hut without a door in my sleeping bag due to freezing, i thought i could survive a 3 hour night sleep inside my sleeping bag on minus 20 degrees or something but i thought wrong i guess lol, lost conciousness and died.

Also FrostPunk looks quite interesting but i'm certain my PC can't run it, too fecking demanding!!!!!!!!


Can't say i have, although i have heard a lot of good things about it.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:43 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFIAg7ByYVA

I'm actually considering buying it tbh Laughing I'll hate myself within an hour of playing it no doubt.

Co-op stuff would be interesting too but i doubt many here would buy it.
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Post by Thimmy on Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:33 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFIAg7ByYVA

I'm actually considering buying it tbh Laughing I'll hate myself within an hour of playing it no doubt.

Co-op stuff would be interesting too but i doubt many here would buy it.


It's not impossible that I'll get it, but yeah.. I'll likely regret it within an hour of playing it as well. I'm not particularly hyped for it, but I recall a few people on here hyping it up. Considering the type of game it is, I'm guessing Firenze is one of those people Very Happy

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Post by Firenze on Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:37 pm

You can blow things up and shoot guns, it's a dudebro type game, can't see why it wouldn't appeal to Mr Cod & Fifa.

I'm skipping it most likely, God of War out a few weeks later, keeping tabs on Ni No Kuni and possibly Yakuza. Also Devil May Cry collection. This is not really on my radar. had my fill of Far Cry with 3.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:50 pm

I'm intrigued by Ni No Kuni as well.

Game industry is nuts btw, nothing for months and then at least 3 or 4 games coming out within the space of a few weeks.
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Post by Harmonica on Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:26 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFIAg7ByYVA

I'm actually considering buying it tbh Laughing I'll hate myself within an hour of playing it no doubt.

Co-op stuff would be interesting too but i doubt many here would buy it.
Holy shiteness, this is what todays gaming is about? Something for the button mashers I think. Laughing

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