Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Go down

Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by gnrfan on Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:17 pm

Watching the derby today i was super impressed with icardi. The way he was trying to press 3 defenders on his own, screaming at other midfielders to get forward, it was a true captain's performance. And it was in stark contrast to the performance of another argentine against roma, This gentleman was skulking around like a wimp when the going got tough, not forcing the issue at all and fading out of the game. I hope Messi fanboys can understand why some argentines will always put Maradona above messi. Mentalities of guys like Maradona and Icardi can captivate the whole team in pressure situations. The whole team naturally looks to its talisman in these situations, and when that guy looks like he cant give a fvck it's a huge drawback.
avatar
gnrfan
Hot Prospect
Hot Prospect

Posts : 254
Join date : 2011-11-21

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by RealGunner on Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:22 pm

just read the title and that was enough for an upvote

avatar
RealGunner
Admin
Admin

Club Supported : Arsenal
Posts : 79985
Join date : 2011-06-05

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Harmonica on Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:13 pm

Icardi has so much champions mentality that he's not even champion of anything.

_________________
- Come with me. Save yourself. You don't owe Argentine people any more. You've given them everything.
- Not everything. Not yet.
avatar
Harmonica
World Class Contributor
World Class Contributor

Club Supported : Barcelona
Posts : 11320
Join date : 2011-06-07

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:17 pm

Messi is not a leader, i think that's pretty obvious to everyone, it's definitely one quality he doesnt have. he hid in the shadows of puyol, xavi for a long time.

_________________
Madridista naci.. Vikingo sere y Merengue Moriré
avatar
Mr Nick09
Ballon d'Or Contender
Ballon d'Or Contender

Club Supported : Real Madrid
Posts : 28181
Join date : 2011-06-05

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Harmonica on Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:21 pm

Messi is the defintive leader of all-time, and it's not even remotely close. Has carried Barcelona what, now a decade like Maracoca did once in Napoli. And achieved far better results with Argentina who couldn't even qualify for WC without him.

_________________
- Come with me. Save yourself. You don't owe Argentine people any more. You've given them everything.
- Not everything. Not yet.
avatar
Harmonica
World Class Contributor
World Class Contributor

Club Supported : Barcelona
Posts : 11320
Join date : 2011-06-07

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by futbol_bill on Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:25 pm

There is a BIG difference to being a great player and being a leader!

While most will acknowledge Messi is a great player, when in this world has Messi ever exhibited any leadership qualities?
avatar
futbol_bill
First Team
First Team

Club Supported : Real Madrid
Posts : 3600
Join date : 2011-06-05

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:30 pm

@Harmonica wrote:Messi is the defintive leader of all-time, and it's not even remotely close. Has carried Barcelona what, now a decade like Maracoca did once in Napoli. And achieved far better results with Argentina who couldn't even qualify for WC without him.
being a leader has nothing to do with how good of a footballer player you are, so i am not surprised you dont understand the difference between both here.

Argentina have been without a leader since Zanetti? they haven't had a real charismatic captain in a long time.

_________________
Madridista naci.. Vikingo sere y Merengue Moriré
avatar
Mr Nick09
Ballon d'Or Contender
Ballon d'Or Contender

Club Supported : Real Madrid
Posts : 28181
Join date : 2011-06-05

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Myesyats on Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:34 pm

Messi has already won everything, he doesn't care anymore

Perhaps he will try harder with Argentina but even then he most likely won't win the WC anyway and he knows it.

a coach like Pep would be able to motivate him but a flaccid bum like Valverde is not one to motivate anyone.

can't blame Messi, so many years at this level and so many trophies, you kinda get bored after a while.

Myesyats
Fan Favorite
Fan Favorite

Club Supported : Private
Posts : 8585
Join date : 2015-05-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Harmonica on Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:36 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:
@Harmonica wrote:Messi is the defintive leader of all-time, and it's not even remotely close. Has carried Barcelona what, now a decade like Maracoca did once in Napoli. And achieved far better results with Argentina who couldn't even qualify for WC without him.
being a leader has nothing to do with how good of a footballer player you are, so i am not surprised you dont understand the difference between both here.

Argentina have been without a leader since Zanetti? they haven't had a real charismatic captain in a long time.
You have no idea what leading is, if you think shouting to players or looking like a twat at sidelines is leading.

Argentina competitive match history per captain

67% win, Messi 28-9-5 in 42 matches, 3x final
59% win, Maradona 20-7-7 in 34 matches, title, final, 3rd, 4th, round 16
42% win, Mascherano 10-6-8 in 24 matches, 2x quarter-final



Higuain scores one of those and Messi is a leader? I've never seen anyone achieving the kinds of results Messi has got for such poor players and systems.

_________________
- Come with me. Save yourself. You don't owe Argentine people any more. You've given them everything.
- Not everything. Not yet.
avatar
Harmonica
World Class Contributor
World Class Contributor

Club Supported : Barcelona
Posts : 11320
Join date : 2011-06-07

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:44 pm

again, being a charismatic leader has nothing to do with win percentages and the fact that you bring it shows how clueless you are. it's ok, not like we did not know it already.

The fact however that you are a barca fan, have been through years of Puyol being your leader, and you still dont understand what "leading" means is another example that you dont understand football. Again, something we all knew already, but it's nice to see nonetheless.

_________________
Madridista naci.. Vikingo sere y Merengue Moriré
avatar
Mr Nick09
Ballon d'Or Contender
Ballon d'Or Contender

Club Supported : Real Madrid
Posts : 28181
Join date : 2011-06-05

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Harmonica on Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:52 pm

Messi leads with example, takes all the blame from every loss and still carries his teams like a champion he is. Talking to you is a complete waste of time because you think leader is only defined by charisma, charisma that only suits your views.

_________________
- Come with me. Save yourself. You don't owe Argentine people any more. You've given them everything.
- Not everything. Not yet.
avatar
Harmonica
World Class Contributor
World Class Contributor

Club Supported : Barcelona
Posts : 11320
Join date : 2011-06-07

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:11 am

Oh leading by example is fine, but 1) no one can do what messi does 2) he does not work hard on the pitch at all, no extra effort, he is actually lazy. so what example is he showing to the other guys?

queue youtube clips to show messi making some useless recovery run lmao

_________________
Madridista naci.. Vikingo sere y Merengue Moriré
avatar
Mr Nick09
Ballon d'Or Contender
Ballon d'Or Contender

Club Supported : Real Madrid
Posts : 28181
Join date : 2011-06-05

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Kaladin on Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:25 am

Call me when Messi gets injured and stays pitchside, outcoaches his own coach and spurs his team to win a championship, ill wait

_________________
avatar
Kaladin
Stormblessed

Club Supported : Real Madrid
Posts : 21744
Join date : 2012-06-28
Age : 25

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Harmonica on Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:26 am

Considering Messi plays more games than anyone else, including needing to fly SA to NT games, is team marked every game more than anyone has ever been, yet still produces more quality and advances the game most by dribbles and quality passes, he probably works more than anyone else. Or by work you mean players like Pedro's and such who run back and forth in one game and skips the next? Wonderful leaders them.

_________________
- Come with me. Save yourself. You don't owe Argentine people any more. You've given them everything.
- Not everything. Not yet.
avatar
Harmonica
World Class Contributor
World Class Contributor

Club Supported : Barcelona
Posts : 11320
Join date : 2011-06-07

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Harmonica on Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:28 am

@Kaladin wrote:Call me when Messi gets injured and stays pitchside, outcoaches his own coach and spurs his team to win a championship, ill wait
Messi will never look like a twat and steal the glory from his team mates, so I'll never call you.

_________________
- Come with me. Save yourself. You don't owe Argentine people any more. You've given them everything.
- Not everything. Not yet.
avatar
Harmonica
World Class Contributor
World Class Contributor

Club Supported : Barcelona
Posts : 11320
Join date : 2011-06-07

Back to top Go down

Re: Icardi vs Messi: a champion's mentality

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum