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Post by Jay29 on Wed May 16, 2018 10:03 am

Allerdyce has officially left Everton.

Wonder which club he'll turn up at next?

Maybe Arsenal after our new manager flops

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Post by Art Morte on Wed May 16, 2018 10:47 am

@Kick wrote:Speaking of Chris Hughton, he's just been given a new contract to 2021.

I completely disagree with a contract that long. He'll get the sack as soon as Brighton start to under perform.

Which brings me to the question I was going to put forward.

Should any manager receive a contract longer than 2 seasons?

I don't think they should, because you will just end up sacking them and losing money in most cases. If they perform well, give them a pay rise with minimal extension, and if they don't, then the payout isn't so bad.


Theoretically you're right, but in practice an in-demand manager will have the bargaining power to ask for a longer contract = more guaranteed money. If the first club doesn't give him that, someone else probably will. And I guess the flip side is that if a club thinks they have a great manager, they may want to tie him to a longer contract so they at least get compensation if a bigger club comes for the manager.
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Jay29 on Wed May 16, 2018 12:54 pm

Moyes gone now as well.
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Firenze on Wed May 16, 2018 12:55 pm

harsh

probably has higher ambition

moyes back to everton?
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed May 16, 2018 12:56 pm

Allardyce and Moyes fighting for the Arsenal job :bow:

It's the stuff of dreams.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by S on Wed May 16, 2018 1:00 pm

Benitez  linked to different clubs lately :coffee:

I'd imagine Lascelles would love being coached by a Brexit GOAT like Moyes

It would be almost be like a homecoming of sorts. Moyes-Newcastle is MONEY imo.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed May 16, 2018 1:03 pm

Go away.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Kick on Thu May 17, 2018 3:36 am

@Art Morte wrote:
@Kick wrote:Speaking of Chris Hughton, he's just been given a new contract to 2021.

I completely disagree with a contract that long. He'll get the sack as soon as Brighton start to under perform.

Which brings me to the question I was going to put forward.

Should any manager receive a contract longer than 2 seasons?

I don't think they should, because you will just end up sacking them and losing money in most cases. If they perform well, give them a pay rise with minimal extension, and if they don't, then the payout isn't so bad.


Theoretically you're right, but in practice an in-demand manager will have the bargaining power to ask for a longer contract = more guaranteed money. If the first club doesn't give him that, someone else probably will. And I guess the flip side is that if a club thinks they have a great manager, they may want to tie him to a longer contract so they at least get compensation if a bigger club comes for the manager.


My issue with this is that this would only work with a young and up and coming manager, a Nagelsman. Hughton's been around the block, I don't think managers dramatically improve, they just find clubs that click for them. So I can't seen Hughton being snapped up by a bigger club, I can only see him being sacked once things start going wrong. Maybe that'll be 5 years down the track, maybe it'll be next season. Either way, I'd not give anyone more than two years with my club.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by S on Thu May 17, 2018 10:40 am

West Ham want to appoint Rafael Benítez as their new manager and will make a move for him in the next few days. (Source: Daily Mirror)

Moyescastle is destiny Proud :coffee:
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Thu May 17, 2018 11:30 am

Stop posting pointless crap which has no chance of happening.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Firenze on Thu May 17, 2018 12:07 pm

You don't think Rafa could potentially leave you this summer though? I remember you saying last season he was promised things by Ashley that never happened. I wouldn't rule it out (unless he's already pledged his future to the club)

As for West Ham, was reading that Emery is their top target, from PSG to West Ham, unreal step up
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Thu May 17, 2018 12:32 pm

Not for *bleep* West Ham no, it's a non story because it's something the media have repeated ad nauseum and everytime it's proven to be utter bollocks.

Oh and Rafa won't leave this summer regardless because his contract has another year to run, he's already said he won't just go back on the fans and leave before his contract runs out.

He certainly won't do it for *bleep* West Ham.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Unique on Sat May 19, 2018 1:40 pm

WEST HAM NEAR PELLEGRINI DEAL

West Ham are close to agreeing a deal with Manuel Pellegrini to become their new manager, according to Sky sources.

The Chilean is on his way to London for talks with Hammers co-owner David Sullivan on Monday.

West Ham are also seeking to speak to Newcastle manager Rafael Benitez this weekend.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Art Morte on Sat May 19, 2018 3:41 pm

West Ham just never learn.
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Post by vanDEEZ on Sat May 19, 2018 4:13 pm

Di Marzio is reporting the deal is done, 3 year contract.
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Firenze on Sat May 19, 2018 4:28 pm

Pellegrini is a good manager. Good coup from them.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Sat May 19, 2018 4:35 pm

@Firenze wrote:Pellegrini is a good manager. Good coup from them.

Definitely. I wouldn't recommend him to any top team going after major trophies, but West Ham are definitely overachieving with his signature. He'll improve them immensely.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat May 19, 2018 4:45 pm

Yeah I don't understand the criticism tbh.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Firenze on Sat May 19, 2018 4:48 pm

Morte in full Brexit mode I guess. West Ham are always huge underachievers. Relatively big name, willing to spend (they always buy trash though) and now they have a legit manager. They should be hitting that 7-9th spot consistently.
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat May 19, 2018 4:55 pm

Also proves my point that Sky are such bullshitters.

Rafa was never happening, like it was never happening every other time it's been reported.

But as long as they gullible idiots like S around they'll continue to report it.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by S on Sat May 19, 2018 4:57 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Also proves my point that Sky are such bullshitters.

Rafa was never happening, like it was never happening every other time it's been reported.

But as long as they gullible idiots like S around they'll continue to report it.


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It was just to wind you up and looks like i've kinda succeeded anyway :coffee:
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat May 19, 2018 5:03 pm


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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Art Morte on Sat May 19, 2018 5:37 pm

Pellegrini is one of these over-the-hill managers who have achieved enough and are old enough to not have a real desire, a real motivation for grinding it out with mid-table teams anymore. The guy's been mid-table in China for two years ffs. He probably can't believe his luck that a London team with a fat paycheck is still coming for him. It's like when the Hammers signed Zabaleta; you're getting a declining biggish name who won't be anything special for you.
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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat May 19, 2018 5:39 pm

Unfair considering he hasn't a job since City and he was doing a good job there before it became clear the club wanted Pep half way through his last season.

There's no real evidence as of yet behind your claims.

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Re: Premier League 17-18 Discussion Part 9 - The End

Post by RealGunner on Sat May 19, 2018 5:41 pm

@Art Morte wrote:Pellegrini is one of these over-the-hill managers who have achieved enough and are old enough to not have a real desire, a real motivation for grinding it out with mid-table teams anymore. The guy's been mid-table in China for two years ffs. He probably can't believe his luck that a London team with a fat paycheck is still coming for him. It's like when the Hammers signed Zabaleta; you're getting a declining biggish name who won't be anything special for you.


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Never doubt Art when it comes to PL. Fully agreed.

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Post by El Gunner on Sat May 19, 2018 7:31 pm

He's a PL title winning coach, gtfo. :coffee:

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