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Post by Turok_TTZ on Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:59 am

Benz again scoring with head. I'm kinda concerned.
Need to see him put one with either foot. he needs to be a threat with his feet too.

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Post by Doc on Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:15 am

Benz scoring with his head is a concern? The pos wasn't scoring with any body part last season, any goal from him should be celebrated.

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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by chad4401 on Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:47 am

When benzema ends the season with a decent haul of goals I'm a go with 30 or more, I wanna see what legs you guys have to stand on for the team short comings if there is any, cause benzema is the sole player responsible for a team sport, while other players like flopsco get a free pass cause he was so hyped and pulls off useless tricks glad you guys still as boring as ever.

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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by The Madrid One on Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:30 am

Why are you so obsessed with Benzema?

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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by Turok_TTZ on Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:12 am

@Doc wrote:Benz scoring with his head is a concern? The pos wasn't scoring with any body part last season, any goal from him should be celebrated.

Did bayern and liverpool slip your mind or what?

besides, different responsibilities back then. not the same now.
he needs to be a threat with his feet as we need him and bale to take up the responsibility for goals left by CR7. not every game will he get a good cross in.

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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by Doc on Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:04 am

Not even during the Higgy-Benz wars did any of his goals slip my mind. But you know what hasn't: his 5 La Liga goals. Him scoring with his head is not only allowed but treasured because we need his ass to be scoring. A lot.

You've always had this odd pedestal for Benny which is fine, it's way more sane than Harmonica's love for Messi but him scoring with his head is more than fine.

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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by Turok_TTZ on Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:47 am

thats because Benz is a type of player that will always make my ideal dream team. also, he is a proven CL player.
I notice you mention league goals. well, I never cared much for the league. CL is the biggest prize and that will always be what i want most from my club. The whole reason we signed Benzema in the first place was because of his performances in the CL were needed.

Benz has long since fulfilled his purpose here. I dont mind him leaving but as long as hes here, ill enjoy/rage his time with us.

In the meantime, Ive already mentioned the change in style and responsibility will see Benz scoring more often now. and judging from the last few games, Benz is proving to be an excellent aerial threat, showing off his targetman qualities, as expected of a former complete forward.

so I wouldnt worry too much about him scoring i would be more concerned with our midfield as Benz or Bale for that matter cant score if the midfield aint doing their job.

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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by Varnagel on Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:47 am

@sportsczy wrote:France was never a motivator.  He once went 1200 minutes without scoring a goal for NT.  


To be fair, Benzema sent France to WC 2014 during the play-off against Ukraine.

Which is a redemption for not being proflic during WC-Qualifers 2014.

Having that said, not scoring goals doesn't automatically mean a player is bad.

Giroud scored 0 goals during World Cup and went scoreless for almost 1000 mins for France.

Does that mean he's a crap footballer during that period?

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Post by titosantill on Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:20 am

yes, giroud is a crap footballer, and most people actually agree on that
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Post by titosantill on Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:41 am

:facepalm: i'm not even getting into this. giroud arguably france's most important player, lmao. we need to start checking how certain terms are used in football just in a bid to make players seem better than they actually are
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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by titosantill on Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:42 am

is the post deleted already? lol i could have sworn i saw someone post something about giroud being arguably france's most important player lol
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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by vanDEEZ on Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:55 am

To be honest Giroud has been terribly underrated for years.
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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by titosantill on Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:00 am

and how high should he be rated? top 10, top 20 , top 30 CFs?
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Post by vanDEEZ on Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:13 am

Definitely top 20 or better. Somewhere between Lukaku and Cavani.
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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by titosantill on Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:24 am

top 20 (from position 11 to 20) in this era for a CF isn't a compliment. its not like we are littered with that many elite CFs. and he isn't close to cavani. rather than the term 'underrated', i think the phrase you're looking for is 'he isn't as crap/garbage as made out to be'. definitely not underrated
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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by sportsczy on Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:46 am

Giroud isn't crap tbh... and I'm a big critic. Whenever he's not in there, the attack stops working for France and the defense gets worse. He holds up the ball very well, links up well and is also a presence both offensively and defensively in the air.

he also scored a screamer against the netherlands to win the game in the most recent NT games.

With Mbappe and Griezmann, we don't need a scorer at CF. That's actually not his role.

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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by Doc on Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:57 pm

Yeah, pretty much think Giroud is not a particularly good footballer or CF. Not sure why his name is being brought up but whatever.

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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by titosantill on Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:14 pm

i didn't know where else to post this, whether the transfer thread or this, but i figure since much of this thread has focused on benzema, even though its the kudos to bale and benzema thread, i'd post a link to the article i read on here. fyi, it isn't an eye opener, its something we as madrid fans all know with regards to bale, but what are your thoughts on the long term approach to this bale project? and his insistence on taking on international duties, when he isn't fit ,yeah yeah i know he isn't playing, but the travel is unnecessary. just something to keep conversations going during the international break

https://en.as.com/en/2018/10/10/football/1539164497_076256.html
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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by futbol_bill on Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:06 pm

Gee Tito, I was about to post the same article (from a different paper). There are two takeaways from this story.

First is Bale has his own interest in front of team interest and that he isn’t a leader.

Second is the injury prone Bale is back! Note the story is he is desperately afraid of injuring himself and thus doesn’t take risks on the field, which certainly will take something away from his game. And after asking to come off early in two games and missing trip to Russia, turns out he wasn’t injured after all!

So bottom line we started this thread after both Benzema and Bale started the season off well and a lot of us thought maybe we will be ok with the overly dependence on these two to lead this team (but we did ackowledge it was a risky approach). And now both of them have recerted to their old disasterous form!!
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Post by The Madrid One on Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:09 pm

Bale has finally started to play the way he always should have with us this season though, why did it take so long? It seems non-nonsensical to me how managers sometimes get overrun by diva players, if i was manager i'd talk to the board of directors, to the players, or get fired before getting thrown around like a cuck ffs.

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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by sportsczy on Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:02 am

Every player should think of himself first over club, manager, etc.  In fact, the great ones do. That doesn't meant they don't care about the club... it means exactly what it says.

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Post by futbol_bill on Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:05 pm

You mean taking himself out and not giving 100% because he’s afraid of injuries is acceptable and the norm?
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Post by titosantill on Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:07 pm

travelling with the national team, when you're allegedly not fit for a  meaningless friendly is not taking care of ones-self. i'd get it if it was a world cup qualifier. all that travel time and millage could have been spent recuperating. if you took yourself out the game because you felt pain, fine, i don't expect players to play through pain, even machines get burnt out. but to take the next flight with the expectation of playing a meaningless friendly, considering his man of glass condition, that baffles me. and when we here that he isn't going to play, he's still travelling with them and rushing himself back to fitness for ireland. guess what will happen by the time he gets back here, he'll break down again. his strategies have actually been the opposite of protecting himself.
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Post by sportsczy on Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:16 pm

Maybe he's doing that because, over many seasons, he kept getting injured by toughing it out. If I'm Bale, I change something... and that something is that he doesn't play through when he feels a twinge.

Given his history, I don't blame him at all. Maybe like this, he misses a week or two every two months as opposed to missing 2 months after playing 2 months.

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Post by sportsczy on Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:18 pm

@tito...  he's with Wales.  How far did he travel really.  And maybe (like all the French players), it's an opportunity to get a second medical opinion (mandatory medical checkups with NT) as opposed to asking for an official one (which could offend the Madrid medical staff).

I say this because I've heard there's politics with even medical care believe it or not.

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Re: Kudos to Bale and Benzema

Post by futbol_bill on Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:43 pm

You’re missing the point Sports. Bale has been a frustration to every coach he has had at Madrid, and especially this season when Flo has placed the team’s hopes on him and Benz.

With Benz returning to his ‘modern CF’ form and Bale now overly concerned about injuring himself, our season is all but done!

The end result will be Lopetequi gone and Bale and Benz replaced with Vinicius and Rodrygo!
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