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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by Luca on Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:38 pm

Just one year and the fine will be reduced on appeal I bet, not really that bad for Milan

But things need to change for it to matter

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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by juvealbanian on Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:40 pm

What about Inter btw? They needed to make income or FFP will have been applied to them as well.
So far they brought Nainggolan for like 24m?
Or did I miss smth?
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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by Warrior on Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:21 pm

Inter plays in Champions League, they are safe for now. Besides it's a different kind of fraud, Suning is a fraud for the fans since they didn't spend much.

Milang was a true fraud: pays a lot for shit players and now they are broke with no chance of getting money back thru CL.
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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by Robespierre on Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:54 pm

@juvealbanian wrote:What about Inter btw? They needed to make income or FFP will have been applied to them as well.
So far they brought Nainggolan for like 24m?
Or did I miss smth?

? Probably you don't know how FPF works.
The clubs that have economic situation rated as "not good" finish under surveillance of UEFA.
They can settle this stipulating an agreement,  called " Settlement Agreement " ( since 2016 there 's even Voluntary Agreement ).
Inter stipulated in 2015 . It lasts 3 years if everything goes ok. In these 3 years you  must come to terms with Uefa, for example a break even within 30 June ( we're getting it also this year, it means for example you must get 45 mln of capital gains from players. We are getting them selling our youth players), limitation of European lists  (for example you can't insert players if you haven't sold to same price etc Very complicated to explain it. We couldn't insert Jovetic Kondogbia and J.Mario on past EL. Now we risk to not insert some players   ) etc

Inter and Roma stipulated this settlement agreement. It lasts 3 years. If you show to have respected the terms it finishes. Roma is out of settlement agreement now. Inter almost. We've complied many things but not the matter of amortisation ( so we'd have still the limited list for UCL . ) . But if we will respect the break even for 30th June ( the matter of capital gains. need of 45 within 30th and we almost done atm ) we'll be definitely out of settlement agreement. And so not under FFP.

Why Inter and Roma had settlement agreement for FFP and Milan no ?

Because Milan situation was rated more bad than Inter and Roma.
It is a plea deal but it needs of  preconditions to give it.
But Milan situation was rated so cloud ( who is this Li for example ? Suning and , even the worst Thohir , aren't the best but they're clear representatives at least. They presented a credible plan , tbh Thohir presented a downsizing plan hard to accept it for a fan but ok for UEFA. While Fassone presented an insane plan promising heaven and earth so as to increase revenues.. Not credible) to not grant even that plea deal with UEFA for clubs under FFP called Settlement Agreement. That's all.
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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by juvealbanian on Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:20 pm

I have an idea on how it works in general. Wont bother going into details with FFP since Juve probably wont get troubled by it anyway.

You could have saved your time by saying you are selling youngsters for a profit.

And yeah Milan's investors were shady and went all-in while Inter's chinese management are trying to be a bit more reserved with spendings and have a slower but steady growth.
Thanks anyway.
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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by guest7 on Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:53 pm

@urbaNRoots wrote:
@guest7 wrote:TIL FFP is legit when the team is not PSG


You must have missed the news then. PSG have to sell a lot of players this summer if they don't want to get banned.


I don't follow PSG so yeah, I most likely missed the "news"... but am I wrong for thinking something is suspicious when they break the transfer record one time for Neymar and then break it again for Mbappe? FFP is only allowing it because PSG's owner is more serious than Milan's.
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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by Luca on Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:03 pm

PSG bought Neymar by triggering his release clause last summer, which impacted last summer's transfer activity

They signed Mbappe through a loan with an obligation to purchase, which will impact this summer's transfer activity

It's quite legit. They worked around FFP in such a way. Rather than a summer of 400M spending, it's a summer of 220M spending and a summer of 180M spending... which is more realistic for a club in their position and they will sell players this summer, Pastore completed his move to Roma already, Guedes will move this summer, most likely to Valencia permanently, with a couple more to come- Rabiot, Meunier, which will all recover fees. They have a much easier time in being revenue positive or even neutral than Milan who spent Neymar money on truthfully shit players and ought to be punished just for this.

I'm sure last summer if Milan fans were given the option of being fined 20M or signing Kalinic for 20M, they would have taken the fine 10 times out of 10
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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by urbaNRoots on Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:05 pm

@guest7 wrote:
@urbaNRoots wrote:
@guest7 wrote:TIL FFP is legit when the team is not PSG


You must have missed the news then. PSG have to sell a lot of players this summer if they don't want to get banned.


I don't follow PSG so yeah, I most likely missed the "news"... but am I wrong for thinking something is suspicious when they break the transfer record one time for Neymar and then break it again for Mbappe? FFP is only allowing it because PSG's owner is more serious than Milan's.


Sure some of their sponsorship deals are suspicious but they are technically not breaking the rules.
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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by giovanni_milan on Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:36 pm

^thats exactly my point

should we have had a shady chinese firm "sponsor" us

would that have avoided things?

what ive learned in the last few days was that this decision has more to do with 2014-17 than last summers spending

in that period we were horrid financially
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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by S Yesterday at 10:32 am



All this drama for nothing in the end

Expected outcome


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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by sportsczy Yesterday at 10:40 am

Fine by me... means the end of FFP.

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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by Kaladin Yesterday at 11:20 am

F*cks sake :facepalm:

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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by farfan Yesterday at 12:00 pm

FFP was conceived by a corrupt guy who didn't even finish high school.


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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by zigra Yesterday at 12:13 pm

First Ronaldo, now this. Serie A is BACK Molenation
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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by S Yesterday at 12:30 pm

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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by Robespierre Yesterday at 12:59 pm

Why this stupid title ? Lol

Milan is not out of FFP , they will have stipulating that " settlement agreement " made for Inter and Roma (and it is tough measure tbf)

As I explained above

Settlement agreement is a plea deal , it wasn' t given to them ( but exclusion from Europe ) because the situation was considered even worse than other clubs.
You need of some preconditions so as to get it.
Now they will have same settlement agreement as every club sanctioned due to FFP
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Re: AC Milan > FFP

Post by breva Yesterday at 6:09 pm

Milan doesn't have the clout that PSG has.
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