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Re: Brexit: Should the UK stay or go?
Special shout out to Stella Creasy who's speaking now and easily delivered the best speech I've seen so far
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this one douche just credited Thatcher with the end of socialism and the fall of the Berlin Wall
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We are back again.
Historic moment
Historic moment
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Surely May will win this
they're making this about Corbyn and I don't see how the Conservatives can vote against May in that light?
The bespectacled manbaby that is apparently environment secretary made the logical argument that since Corbyn does not want to "fight fascism" in Syria and won't "stand up to Putin", he can't negotiate a better deal wit the EU
they're making this about Corbyn and I don't see how the Conservatives can vote against May in that light?
The bespectacled manbaby that is apparently environment secretary made the logical argument that since Corbyn does not want to "fight fascism" in Syria and won't "stand up to Putin", he can't negotiate a better deal wit the EU
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that speaker guy is just bizarre
decision imminent...
decision imminent...
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Parliament voted no on the no confidence vote
so May won it
so May won it
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By 19 votes...
If DUP weren't so corrupt, May would and should have lost
If DUP weren't so corrupt, May would and should have lost
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Time for Corbyn to either work with May to devise a Brexit deal that Labour will vote for - or back a 2nd referendum, for which there's a lot of demand among Labour MPs and voters. Continuing to sit on the fence in the hope of a general election does no good any longer.
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Did I hear that right and did they just give money to the Unionist Northern Ireland districts in exchange for those votes
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Hapless_Hans wrote:Did I hear that right and did they just give money to the Unionist Northern Ireland districts in exchange for those votes
yes
taxpayers money
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So what's the significance here? May is still in power vs Corbyn yes, but at the end of the day both said they would look for a Brexit deal correct?
Obviously there are politics beyond Brexit where May vs Corbyn is a difference, but I imagine that the only real thing getting done in Parliament/Downing Street right now (especially given the time constraints at this point) is Brexit anyway, so until Brexit is dealt with, other domestic policies are rather unimportant. I could be wrong on that and correct me if I am.
Is it that Corbyn would have sought out a tremendously different deal than the one May is looking for?
I'm only minimally engaged in UK politics so feel free to correct me at any point
Obviously there are politics beyond Brexit where May vs Corbyn is a difference, but I imagine that the only real thing getting done in Parliament/Downing Street right now (especially given the time constraints at this point) is Brexit anyway, so until Brexit is dealt with, other domestic policies are rather unimportant. I could be wrong on that and correct me if I am.
Is it that Corbyn would have sought out a tremendously different deal than the one May is looking for?
I'm only minimally engaged in UK politics so feel free to correct me at any point
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CBarca wrote:So what's the significance here? May is still in power vs Corbyn yes, but at the end of the day both said they would look for a Brexit deal correct?
Obviously there are politics beyond Brexit where May vs Corbyn is a difference, but I imagine that the only real thing getting done in Parliament/Downing Street right now (especially given the time constraints at this point) is Brexit anyway, so until Brexit is dealt with, other domestic policies are rather unimportant. I could be wrong on that and correct me if I am.
Is it that Corbyn would have sought out a tremendously different deal than the one May is looking for?
I'm only minimally engaged in UK politics so feel free to correct me at any point
No, May's deal is, in my opinion, a more Labour-like deal than Tory-like. That's why 118 Tories voted against it, too. Corbyn has just been hell bent on voting against anything the Tories suggest, hope that the Tories fail, the government falls and there's a new election, which Labour might win. But tonight the "government falls" part was put to test and it didn't happen. Corbyn is frustrating a lot of Labour supporters by his continual refusal to commit either way, whether it's pursuing Brexit or 2nd referendum. He's put his ambition of becoming Prime Minister ahead of successful Brexit.
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So now on Monday May will present her new proposal, right? If the Tory party gets behind it they go back to the EU. Who are likely to send them straight back as nothing will have really changed. So we are still facing No Deal or Remain and a game of chicken.
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sadiq khan the mayor of london talking too much about a brexit deal. maybe he should be trying to sort out the record number of stabbings and gang violence thats going on in london. the guy is a waste of space at his own job and he thinks he knows best about other peoples jobs.
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Finding myself watching a UK parliamentary debate again
this house of commons is growing on me
as is John Bercow
this house of commons is growing on me
as is John Bercow
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I should have found a spot in my top 20 for Jo Swinson somewhere but it's a tough contest
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can't believe they're not working towards extending the negotiation period
May seems to want to pressure the house (i.e. her party MPs) into supporting her deal by insisting on the March deadline, but in the face of the monumental defeat she got last week that seems ludicrus and hurtfully stubborn
May seems to want to pressure the house (i.e. her party MPs) into supporting her deal by insisting on the March deadline, but in the face of the monumental defeat she got last week that seems ludicrus and hurtfully stubborn
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Hapless_Hans wrote:I should have found a spot in my top 20 for Jo Swinson somewhere but it's a tough contest
I might be developing a fetish here, and you might be witnessing it
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Wow, the Scots are understandably seething and it would only be right if they moved towards independence now
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May seems to be all out of ideas.
Have Parliament vote between Nay Deal, May Deal and Remain and just go with whatever gets the most votes.
Have Parliament vote between Nay Deal, May Deal and Remain and just go with whatever gets the most votes.
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If the deadline wont be postponed. That's what makes the most sense.
Time is up, vote on it and see.
Time is up, vote on it and see.
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/europe-says-no-to-theresa-mays-brexit-plan-b-a4044431.html
May takes same request to Brusells, gets soundly rejected again
The only chance the May deal has is a Labour revolt. Both parties should be ashamed of themselves for putting party over country.
May takes same request to Brusells, gets soundly rejected again
The only chance the May deal has is a Labour revolt. Both parties should be ashamed of themselves for putting party over country.
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Re: Brexit: Should the UK stay or go?
MPs rejected No Deal today. A week ago they rejected the May Deal. The EU rejected renegotiating for a New Deal. So does that mean that by process of elimination the only option remaining is Remain? What else is there?
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If Brexit isn't postponed, they probably have to choose between those three options. This latest development, where May is supposed to go to Brussels and say "let's ditch the backstop and do something else instead", is just delusional.
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Those are the 3 options for months now. Don't even see how it would get postponed, what's the point? EU won't renegotiate, so what could be achieved from a postponement other than extending this period of uncertainty and malaise. Also can the UK unilaterally postpone or would the EU have to accept it?
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EU would have to accept and the UK would need to provide some valid reasons. But if the UK said something like "we need time to arrange a 2nd referendum" I think the EU would accept. Doesn't look like the UK is going to ask postponement just to negotiate more.
Of course you cannot trust online comments, but what's interesting is that on every BBC article on Brexit where comments are just available, it's pro no-deal comments that consistently get the most upvotes. I get that on sites like the Daily Mail that is the case, but the BBC is as neutral as it gets in the UK.
Of course you cannot trust online comments, but what's interesting is that on every BBC article on Brexit where comments are just available, it's pro no-deal comments that consistently get the most upvotes. I get that on sites like the Daily Mail that is the case, but the BBC is as neutral as it gets in the UK.
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