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Post by sportsczy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:04 am

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/23688772/man-united-france-star-paul-pogba-looking-impress-russia

It ends with...

He doesn't need to rip Mourinho.

"Not yet," he (Pogba) says.

Basically putting Mourinho on notice. Maybe the reporter is trying to dramatize... but it will be interesting.

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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by zigra on Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:13 am

He can't "rip" Mourinho.
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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by juvealbanian on Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:20 am

He's heading to Juve for 60m + Sturaro (and possibly Khedira) as Tuttosport confirms
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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by sportsczy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:20 am

Sure he can. Why not?

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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by Firenze on Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:31 am

Mourinho is invincible at United.

Pogba won't say anything since he will just get benched for the rest of his contract/ Mou's duration as Manager. Him 'ripping' Mou would do more harm to his career than him being stifled creatively. Hell, Mou's probably hoping he criticizes him so he can do just that and pair Fellaini and Matic without any pressure from anyone.

I'm not for Players getting managers sacked etc but it's clear he's making the team miserable and something needs to be done for the future of the team.
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Post by zigra on Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:32 am

Because Mourinho has become more powerful than any manager before him.

Of course Pogba can ask to be sold if he's unhappy. Then Mourinho can replace him with someone better. Maybe not the worst idea of all time.
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Post by sportsczy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:45 am

Nah. Players can force things if they're a certain level. It'll come down the club choosing between the manager or the player. At Madrid (and PSG, Barca and Bayern), the players are kings within reason. Talent wins games. In EPL, I've noticed the managers get more of the nod.

But in the end, Pogba can easily create a situation where the club is forced to choose. He's media savvy enough to do it in a very impactful way too.

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Post by sportsczy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:48 am

He'll unleash Raiola btw... who, if you haven't observed it, is a very public and direct person once the player asks to attack.  It would become a PR nightmare for Man U very quickly.  As much as I don't like Raiola... he actually relishes these clashes. He's Mourinho's match more than easily if it came to a media battle.

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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by zigra on Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:55 am

Pogba hasn't even come close to justifying his price tag. He'll be replaced if he doesn't finally step his game up and you think he can challenge the demigod that is Mourinho Laughing
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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by Luca on Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:00 pm

I don't think United will back Pogba over Mourinho @sports

I'm not surprised to see a report like this after a stellar World Cup [win], and the fact that Sanchez now makes significantly more money than Pogba does at United. This is a big problem with Raiola is your agent Proud

We know how this ends. More money for Pogba and Raiola or a move away from United which means more money for Pogba and Raiola
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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by Firenze on Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:05 pm

Sanchez is PL proven, when Pogba shows it, he can get pay parity :coffee:
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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by rincon on Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:11 pm

Pogba needs to be playing a LOT better for United before throwing his weight around at the club. If the world cup showed the world something it's that Pogba can excel in a defensive setup too, so he needs to grow up and play like he cares at United too.
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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by S on Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:18 pm

Mbappè demanding to be the new 'king' at PSG

Pogba 'ripping' Man United and Mourinho

Perhaps Dembele will be issuing threats to Messi next

Seems Sports has decided to go all out and milk the shit out of dat world cup hype, ufff
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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:20 pm

wild prediction here but Pogba is not gonna be playing so deep for united. He did it commando in the world cup to win, but that's not who he is as a player, he wants to be further up. It's easy to do it over 4 weeks every 4 years, but ti's different when you do it week in and week out. UNless pogba has completely changed his personality, which i doubt, he will be asking to play AM by january lol

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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by sportsczy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:21 pm

You guys don't understand how toxic Mourinho is.

As an example... all the creative Madrid players HATED him as well as anyone with any personality. For Mourinho, everything has to be about him and he throws players under the bus when the team fails because of him and his shit personality.

The reason France was able to play the way they did and get all the players to buy in... especially Griezmann, Mbappe and Pogba... was that Deschamps made it about the players. In the documentary today, he told them that the games are about you (the players). If you (the players) listen to me and give everything, I will defend you against everything. MOST IMPORTANTLY, he told the forwards and Pogba... I will give you the liberty to do what you want going forward as long as you're keeping your defensive responsibilities.

He had players buy into his tactics. Zidane, as another example, did the same thing at Madrid.

At the end of the day, the manager's job is to get the best out his top players. Do you really believe the Mourinho gets the best out of his best players? Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Bailly, Herrera, etc.?

At Madrid, the guys that loved Mou were Arbeloa, Khedira and Varane. At Man U, Matic, Valencia, Young, Lingard, Fellaini, etc. Other than Varane and maybe Matic, do you consider any of the other guys as the top talents on the team?

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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:22 pm

@rincon wrote:Pogba needs to be playing a LOT better for United before throwing his weight around at the club. If the world cup showed the world something it's that Pogba can excel in a defensive setup too, so he needs to grow up and play like he cares at United too.


It's not about defensive set up, I don't really need to explain it again do I lol.

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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by rincon on Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:26 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
@rincon wrote:Pogba needs to be playing a LOT better for United before throwing his weight around at the club. If the world cup showed the world something it's that Pogba can excel in a defensive setup too, so he needs to grow up and play like he cares at United too.


It's not about defensive set up, I don't really need to explain it again do I lol.


That was the point. The setup is not the (only) problem. Pogba is playing like he doesn't give a *bleep* about United some times. He played well for Juve and France because he cares for it, he wanted to do well, so he did.

For X reasons, at United he doesn't. You can blame Mourinho for not getting the best out of him, just like you should blame Pogba too for failing at basic things. One of United top investments is out there wasting everyone's time. That's on Pogba too.
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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by Firenze on Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:32 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:wild prediction here but Pogba is not gonna be playing so deep for united. He did it commando in the world cup to win, but that's not who he is as a player, he wants to be further up. It's easy to do it over 4 weeks every 4 years, but ti's different when you do it week in and week out. UNless pogba has completely changed his personality, which i doubt, he will be asking to play AM by january lol

That's another thing. Pogba loves the spotlight, he excelled in some big games for us, like the comeback at City.

At the World Cup, every game is like a final. I've personally see him put in 5% effort in games against Stoke, Huddersfield and the like, was he like that at Juve? or was he a scrub killer?

Consistency is def his main issue at United..and some of that is def because of Mourinho and some of it isn't.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:35 pm

Every single attacking player sucks for Man Yoo.

You guys are acting like it's just Pogba, when it's everyone.

His toxic personality spreads throughout the team, there's absolutely zero tactics or coaching offensively.

The differences between France and Man Yoo are extremely obvious, Pogba is never allowed that sort of freedom for Man Yoo past October lol.

I would have thought every Man Yoo player vastly outperforming what they do for their Club at the WC would prove that Mourinho is a fraud but I guess not.

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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by S on Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:37 pm

@Firenze wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:wild prediction here but Pogba is not gonna be playing so deep for united. He did it commando in the world cup to win, but that's not who he is as a player, he wants to be further up. It's easy to do it over 4 weeks every 4 years, but ti's different when you do it week in and week out. UNless pogba has completely changed his personality, which i doubt, he will be asking to play AM by january lol

That's another thing. Pogba loves the spotlight, he excelled in some big games for us, like the comeback at City.

At the World Cup, every game is like a final. I've personally see him put in 5% effort in games against Stoke, Huddersfield and the like, was he like that at Juve? or was he a scrub killer?

Consistency is def his main issue at United..and some of that is def because of Mourinho and some of it isn't.


He did have games like that at Juve too but main difference is he dint have that entitlement attitude that he has at United right now. The senior players at Juventus kept him grounded.

Also playing next to WC(high workrate) midfielders helped as opposed to playing with Fellaini..
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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by rincon on Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:11 pm

Everyone knows present day Mourinho is a fraud. We didn't need the world cup to tell us that. That doesn't mean that all players are off the hook, they still are responsible for putting in the effort/performances and giving it all.
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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by rincon on Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:18 pm

@Firenze wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:wild prediction here but Pogba is not gonna be playing so deep for united. He did it commando in the world cup to win, but that's not who he is as a player, he wants to be further up. It's easy to do it over 4 weeks every 4 years, but ti's different when you do it week in and week out. UNless pogba has completely changed his personality, which i doubt, he will be asking to play AM by january lol

That's another thing. Pogba loves the spotlight, he excelled in some big games for us, like the comeback at City.

At the World Cup, every game is like a final. I've personally see him put in 5% effort in games against Stoke, Huddersfield and the like, was he like that at Juve? or was he a scrub killer?

Consistency is def his main issue at United..and some of that is def because of Mourinho and some of it isn't.


He had games like that but it never seemed out of entitlement or lack of will. It seemed like the typical ups and downs of a youth player.

In his last season he was a scrub killer. He would put on a show against mid-low table teams and hammer them.
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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by sportsczy on Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:19 pm

I thought he was really good against Bayern and the CL Final rincon...  one of the few in that CL Final against Barca that had some teeth to him in difficult circumstances.

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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by BusterLfc on Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:26 pm

What has Pogba actually done to be considered bigger than the manager? Laughing When he is playing for United he is walking on the pitch Messi-esque and not giving a *bleep*.
Pogba is not the main player of the team, he wasn't one at Juventus, he isn't one at United.
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Re: Man U fans: New Pogba story

Post by rincon on Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:27 pm

He was great against Bayern. I wasn't clear with the way I wrote that.

By scrub killer I didn't mean that he only showed up vs scrubs, but that he also showed up vs scrubs. Unlike what he is doing now.
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