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Post by Robespierre on Mon May 27, 2019 4:37 pm

Cittadella in Serie A would be insane , we are talking about a country ( near to Padova ) with 20'000 inhabitans
Never a so small place 's met Serie A
But I expect Hellas to get promoted (:

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon May 27, 2019 8:18 pm

@Robespierre

Today, in front of a Tempelhof supermarket, I saw a dad with his ~10 year old son wearing a jersey of the FC Internationale Berlin

Beautiful stuff

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Internationale_Berlin

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Post by Robespierre on Mon May 27, 2019 10:26 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:@Robespierre

Today, in front of a Tempelhof supermarket, I saw a dad with his ~10 year old son wearing a jersey of the FC Internationale Berlin

Beautiful stuff

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Internationale_Berlin


FFS I totally ignored this
But it won't change my idea that Union Berlin is the real club of Berlin
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Post by Robespierre on Mon May 27, 2019 10:27 pm

Breaking News Di Marzio : Gattuso is gonna leave Milan

Inter, Juve, Milan to change manager same year, I don't remember last time it's happened
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Post by Sina on Mon May 27, 2019 10:39 pm

Is Giampaolo candidate for any of those jobs?
things change quickly in football
2 years ago Jardim was possible option for Juve

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Post by Robespierre on Mon May 27, 2019 11:00 pm

For Milan surely
Juve not, they 'll take Sarri to 90 %
We've signed Conte, he should be official on Wednesday or Tuesday.
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Post by adun101 on Tue May 28, 2019 12:36 am

@Robespierre wrote:Breaking News Di Marzio : Gattuso is gonna leave Milan



At least they did one good thing and let Leonardo go, who thought he was still at PSG
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Post by adun101 on Tue May 28, 2019 12:42 am

@Sina wrote:Is Giampaolo candidate for any of those jobs?
things change quickly in football
2 years ago Jardim was possible option for Juve


Probably no. Inter have Conte, Juve will get a bigger name and Gazidis has said that Milan will be a youth oriented team, so my guess is they'll go after Di Franceso.
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Post by Robespierre on Tue May 28, 2019 12:46 am

Well " youth oriented team " is adapted also for Giampaolo.

Despite I never believe to these things. It's easy to start with these thoughts , but saying a thing isn't the same as doing it and you never will see Juve/Inter/Milan to act this.
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Post by Robespierre on Tue May 28, 2019 12:52 am

@Firenze wrote:unreal deadline day

Italian football :bow:

I've just noticed there was mess yesterday to follow this matchday. I couldn't log in in because of so much anxiety but indeed it's been a real entertaining matchday for a neutral.
Inter have drama in their DNA so they can make special last matchday, it's happened last year , it's happened this year.
Serie A must wish our return for the title because it'd take Serie A show on highest levels :coffee: Impossible to get bored with us.
Frankly I think a good handbook social psychology has surely a whole chapter dedicated to FC Inter.
Glad to have you delighted the football day yesterday.
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Post by adun101 on Tue May 28, 2019 12:56 am

@Robespierre wrote:Well " youth oriented team " is adapted also for Giampaolo.

Despite I never believe to these things. It's easy to start with these thoughts , but saying a thing isn't the same as doing it and you never will see Juve/Inter/Milan to act this.


You forget that Milan have an ownership that wants to eventually sell the club, so they are trying to make it more appetible. Youth is a good way to start for Milan, anyway.

I just wonder who they will get as DS, I heard the guy from Lille will serve as consultant. Lol
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Post by Robespierre on Tue May 28, 2019 1:03 am

@adun101 wrote:
@Robespierre wrote:Well " youth oriented team " is adapted also for Giampaolo.

Despite I never believe to these things. It's easy to start with these thoughts , but saying a thing isn't the same as doing it and you never will see Juve/Inter/Milan to act this.

ì

You forget that Milan have an ownership that wants to eventually sell the club, so they are trying to make it more appetible. Youth is a good way to start for Milan, anyway.

I just wonder who they will get as DS, I heard the guy from Lille will serve as consultant. Lol

Results make difference. Milan need to go back in CL desperately. Young players as Piatek are ideal thing, but it's not easy to find them and they need of players with experience to make up difference.
I mean, I think Nainggolan is finished, yet we 'd not have got CL with Zaniolo in place of him and I can testify it yesterday.
Giampaolo isn't staying to Sampdoria imo, he has asked for time to Ferrero. He 's waiting one among Roma / Milan / Atalanta imo ( the 3rd things is the most difficult, but he'd be considered if Gasperini leaves).
For me Di Francesco- that I rate as a terrible choice - is going to Sevilla behind to that hipster of Monchi
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Post by adun101 on Wed May 29, 2019 1:18 pm

Gasperini to stay at Atalanta

https://news.yahoo.com/gasperini-stay-atalanta-first-champions-league-campaign-reports-084945368--sow.html

Will Pallotta pony up the cash for Sarri?
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Post by danyjr on Wed May 29, 2019 7:24 pm

It is sad to see both Miland legends Leonardo and Gattuso leave the team. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Gattuso is a master tactician or anything but he worked hard and he was very passionate about this team. I hope he comes back to Milan in one way or another.

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Post by Robespierre on Fri May 31, 2019 6:16 am

Incredible but

Cittadella - Hellas Verona 2-0 ( Play off final First leg )

Dream is so close
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Post by Kaladin on Fri May 31, 2019 8:20 pm

I am curious, what does everyone think of Giampaolo? I know he's been rated for a while because of his football style. But he seems a bit provinciale to me. I dont like Inzaghi as well, dont rate him at all. Trophies aside, Montella won us a trophy, so yeah.

The only name i like that we were linked to was Jardim, but he's been confirmed for next season at Monaco. Most likely we will get Inzaghi sadly, another era with a terrible coach and negative ideas.

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Post by McLewis on Fri May 31, 2019 11:44 pm

If we weren't going for Fonseca, Giampaolo would be my pick for next Roma coach. I like him quite a bit. That Samp side was fun to watch for most of this season.

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Post by rincon on Fri May 31, 2019 11:46 pm

Montella won the supercup after losing the cup and being invited just because Juve won the double. It's not the same as Inzaghi winning the Cup.

We were writing about before, for me Lazio has a poor team. It's mostly rejects and average players. He gets them to play to a competitive level against everyone, he made them the most effective attack in the league. The most important thing in a coach I think is to see if he is making his players over perform. Gattuso doesn't do it, this season Spalletti or Allegri didnt do it either but every other time they do. Inzaghi is giving a bunch of jobbers a career through his coaching. Another interesting thing about him for me is that he isn't a slave to a way of playing. He adapts, and his Lazio adapts, its necessary for a top coach to be able to do so. I can see in him a new Allegri, but its early of course, he still has more to prove before being in that conversation.

Giampaolo for me is different, he is both more exciting but also more risky. His players over perform even more usually, and his style of football is beautiful. He is Sarri's more pragmatic student. At the same time trying to impose a system ala Sarri can backfire unless you are a top top manager. I can imagine Giampaolo becoming a new Gasperini, overperforming with all the mid table but with no career at the top. We almost signed Giamapolo some 10 years ago, it would have been a different career. Anyway everyone (including himself) knows that its time for a better club, and its merited. I see him as higher risk/higher reward than Inzaghi.

In the end there few teams in Serie A more difficult to play for the top clubs than Samp.
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Post by Warrior on Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:04 am

@Robespierre wrote:Incredible but

Cittadella - Hellas Verona 2-0 ( Play off final First leg )

Dream is so close



Everyone behind Cittadella come on cheers

I love those small teams coming in Serie A, rather them than the hellasvator

The town itself is a real "cittadella" which is superb
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i hope their stadium is not that practice field we see in the background Laughing

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:33 am

@rincon wrote:I can imagine Giampaolo becoming a new Gasperini, overperforming with all the mid table but with no career at the top.

So it seems Gasperini's only shot at a career "at the top" was one month at an Inter directly in spiritual free-fall?

Would find it very strange if he weren't giving another chance, this time meaningful

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Post by rincon on Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:28 am

Yeah it was terrible and unfair. Something like 6 games with Inter. It really did derail his career though, made him have to go "the long way" again for a few years to show again that he is a great coach. Now with Atalanta he improved his previous reputation that he built with Genoa, so he is back in the running for the top jobs.

He is wanted now and 100% could take the Roma or Milan jobs. Thing is that now he took Atalanta to CL so he will likely choose to see them through this season.
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Post by Robespierre on Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:10 pm

Giampaolo 'd be the best Milan manager since Allegri
The point is : is it a relevant thing ?
He's better than Mihajlovic and Montella , but on the other hand Inzaghi and Seedorf aren't real managers and Gattuso must still delvelop in this role.
Not a bad name so, but I think Milan need of a proven coach firstly.
Jardim was the ideal name , but Spalletti also could give this.
I'm a bit surprised Milan hadn't thought to him , perhaps because of salary ... or Spalletti isn't interested in it.
Anyway Giampaolo is very good to develop players. He "created" Skriniar to us, but also Zilienski, Paredes, Saponara etc
I think he can be perfect coach for Paqueta.
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Post by Robespierre on Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:19 pm

@Warrior wrote:
@Robespierre wrote:Incredible but

Cittadella - Hellas Verona 2-0 ( Play off final First leg )

Dream is so close



Everyone behind Cittadella come on cheers

I love those small teams coming in Serie A, rather them than the hellasvator

The town itself is a real "cittadella" which is superb
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i hope their stadium is not that practice field we see in the background Laughing



Just 20'133 inhabitans

of course if they go in Serie A they aren't going to play in their stadium.
Padova is only at 30 km away.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:52 pm

I prefer Palmanova, personally

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Post by Kaladin on Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:55 pm

@Robespierre wrote:Giampaolo 'd be the best Milan manager since Allegri
The point is : is it a relevant thing ?
He's better than Mihajlovic and Montella , but on the other hand Inzaghi and Seedorf aren't real managers and Gattuso must still delvelop in this role.
Not a bad name so, but I think Milan need of a proven coach firstly.
Jardim was the ideal name , but Spalletti also could give this.
I'm a bit surprised Milan hadn't thought to him , perhaps because of salary ... or Spalletti isn't interested in it.
Anyway Giampaolo is very good to develop players. He "created" Skriniar to us, but also Zilienski, Paredes, Saponara etc
I think he can be perfect coach for Paqueta.


Giampaolo plays an outdated formation (4-3-1-2), which doesn't suit the squad, nor do we have the personnel for it. I don't think he will be a good fit for Milan, but of course, i would take him over Inzaghi all day, dont rate him one bit.

Spalletti i don't think we will get him, like you said, he commands a high salary. And i'm not quite sure if he even wants the Milan job. But back to Giampaolo, he just seems provincial to me. I have a hard time seeing us succeed under him.

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Post by Robespierre on Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:55 pm

@Kaladin wrote:
@Robespierre wrote:Giampaolo 'd be the best Milan manager since Allegri
The point is : is it a relevant thing ?
He's better than Mihajlovic and Montella , but on the other hand Inzaghi and Seedorf aren't real managers and Gattuso must still delvelop in this role.
Not a bad name so, but I think Milan need of a proven coach firstly.
Jardim was the ideal name , but Spalletti also could give this.
I'm a bit surprised Milan hadn't thought to him , perhaps because of salary ... or Spalletti isn't interested in it.
Anyway Giampaolo is very good to develop players. He "created" Skriniar to us, but also Zilienski, Paredes, Saponara etc
I think he can be perfect coach for Paqueta.


Giampaolo plays an outdated formation (4-3-1-2), which doesn't suit the squad, nor do we have the personnel for it. I don't think he will be a good fit for Milan, but of course, i would take him over Inzaghi all day, dont rate him one bit.

Spalletti i don't think we will get him, like you said, he commands a high salary. And i'm not quite sure if he even wants the Milan job. But back to Giampaolo, he just seems provincial to me. I have a hard time seeing us succeed under him.


Yes , 4-3-1-2 that is  perfect system for Paqueta too. Another reason why I could see him succeed under Giampaolo.
I am going to sign him on fantasy game if you take this manager.
For the rest  i realize skepticism , I ' Ve always rated him as good manager since his first days ( I remember him in Ascoli) but adapted on a context of provincia.
But on the other hand also other names are "bets".
Tbf I prefer him to Simone Inzaghi even though Coppa Italia , Lazio experience and almost-4th-place last year
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