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Post by JespSwe on Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:15 pm

@rincon wrote:Its always like that. When you sack managers you gave to pay off the rest of the contract, or the agreed fee. You cant just unilaterally break contract otherwise.

So you pay them off to set them free. Usually clubs prefer that coaches find a new job right away so they dont have to pay the full length of the contract. At that point its up to club and coach to negotiate.


looks like there was a negotiation in place to release pioli that his lawyer was asking to pay full length upfront but inter were like if u resign we will give you 2 million ... instead of paying up remaining like 3 years worth 4.5 m a year


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Post by Arquitecto on Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:50 pm

The trying out the Milan icons of the last generation experiment finally has ended but at least there was the excitement of hoping Leonardo to Seedorf to Pippo to Gattuso could add something completely unprecedented.


Giampaolo turned out to be a man who's attacking philosophy is attacking in environments with not half as much pressure within their provinciale quarters.

It is admirable he stuck to a 4-3-1-2 with a high line and central pressing when it came to his irrelevant past clubs and even with Milan yet within our club it came with a constant hesitance and only when it was far less risky to use, otherwise coaxing his system back into a shell which gave no direction or identity to players under a storm like we faced versus Inter's Conte.

Let alone literally any team we faced.

Pioli is even less exciting because like Giampaolo who was literally the poor man's Sarri, is a KNOWN quantity.

What in the fuck is he going to bring to our table? "Good with our youth" is not enough given our primavera is not exactly churning out consistent talent and no the hype of many Milanisti who are casuals as they come, is not worth anything to go about given these fans hyped fucking Petagna because he looks like Luis Ronaldo and is a CF. :facepalm:


Pioli may "steady the ship" but when or if he does, he will steady an already stagnant ship and that will further anchor us into the results have been the norm for us: Europa League qualification.

Hence why even over Giampansy this has to be the most underwhelming managerial appointment since Mihajlovic if not worse given Miha is a lion and demands the best out of his players.

Pioli is merely an above average coach but out of his depth despite our current crisis.

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Post by DeviAngel on Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:00 pm

@Arquitecto wrote:The trying out the Milan icons of the last generation experiment finally has ended but at least there was the excitement of hoping Leonardo to Seedorf to Pippo to Gattuso could add something completely unprecedented.


Giampaolo turned out to be a man who's attacking philosophy is attacking in environments with not half as much pressure within their provinciale quarters.

It is admirable he stuck to a 4-3-1-2 with a high line and central pressing when it came to his irrelevant past clubs and even with Milan yet within our club it came with a constant hesitance and only when it was far less risky to use, otherwise coaxing his system back into a shell which gave no direction or identity to players under a storm like we faced versus Inter's Conte.

Let alone literally any team we faced.

Pioli is even less exciting because like Giampaolo who was literally the poor man's Sarri, is a KNOWN quantity.

What in the fuck is he going to bring to our table? "Good with our youth" is not enough given our primavera is not exactly churning out consistent talent and no the hype of many Milanisti who are casuals as they come, is not worth anything to go about given these fans hyped fucking Petagna because he looks like Luis Ronaldo and is a CF. :facepalm:


Pioli may "steady the ship" but when or if he does, he will steady an already stagnant ship and that will further anchor us into the results have been the norm for us: Europa League qualification.

Hence why even over Giampansy this has to be the most underwhelming managerial appointment since Mihajlovic if not worse given Miha is a lion and demands the best out of his players.

Pioli is merely an above average coach but out of his depth despite our current crisis.


Am I the only one who rates Mihajlovic?

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Post by Robespierre on Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:15 pm

Average. Bologna is his dimension.

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Post by DeviAngel on Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:21 pm

@Robespierre wrote:Average. Bologna is his dimension.

I think he is above average. He is a good coach. He still has to learn how to control his emotions and stuff but I see a lot of Conte in him. Poor man's Conte?hmm

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Post by Arquitecto on Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:44 am

As a coach indeed I do not rate him as he is marginally above average than just merely average. But he has not produced what is a memorable string of results let alone a season beyond maybe one, as well as a distinct identity of his teams for me to place him as a manager I rate.


But as a man? 10/10. He is an absolute lion. Outspoken, intelligent, fierce and extremely strong willed. Seriously, he is one hell of a character.

And I truly believe or hope he will get through his leukemia and already is making good progress.

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Post by rincon on Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:54 am

He has little else than yelling at his players 24/7. Nothing to do with a poor man's Conte. Mihajlovic doesn't show much attention to detail or tactics. Torino was greatly improved by going for Mazzarri.

He is good at Bologna.
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Post by Robespierre on Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:05 pm

Yes he is at same level as Donadoni ( in China now)
After Catania, Bologna, Sampdoria, Milan, Torino, Bologna we can draw a line and say he's a mid-table manager

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Post by Robespierre on Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:32 pm

Lazio Atalanta 0-2 on 30'
Atalanta as new Leicester who wants to believe it

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Post by Robespierre on Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:02 pm

0-3 HT
3-3 FT , goal on 90'

Another insane Serie A matches, a prayer for who's watched Premier League this afternoon

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Post by JespSwe on Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:03 pm

immobile dive... atleast out of two penalty he got one was dive and right next to referee and he gave pk... that referee sucks!

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Post by Kaladin Yesterday at 4:27 pm

Turned off at 1-4

Now i read 3-4

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Post by Robespierre Yesterday at 5:20 pm

@Kaladin wrote:Turned off at 1-4

Now i read 3-4

@Robes

Weird black-out, outclassed Sassuolo for 70', then Lazaro enter pitch, garbage time, but Sassuolo scores immediately ( because of same Lazaro) and after 10' that 3-4
In this football you can't be sure even for a double advantage, looking at Atalanta yesterday , or Juve 'd have tied 3-3 if Koulibaly didn't get that incredible own-goal after they were winning 3-0

Sassuolo is our bogey team, we've more losses than wins against us, we 'd not have won against us for 5 matches, so I can be just glad

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Post by Vibe Yesterday at 6:23 pm

I remember days when we used to put 7 past them every time, even in our shittiest years. Then Consigli started turning into Lev Yashin every time.
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Post by Casciavit Yesterday at 8:05 pm

Attacking shape looks good.

Theo and Conti playing high and wide as they should. A double pivot of Biglia and Kessie can cover their backs.

Hakan and Suso coming in narrow trying to combine with Paqueta who is playing as a 10.

The 4-2-3-1 seems like a logical shape. Not much of a fan of the personnel though. Jack needs to be starting.

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Post by JespSwe Yesterday at 8:39 pm

@Casciavit wrote:Attacking shape looks good.

Theo and Conti playing high and wide as they should. A double pivot of Biglia and Kessie can cover their backs.

Hakan and Suso coming in narrow trying to combine with Paqueta who is playing as a 10.

The 4-2-3-1 seems like a logical shape. Not much of a fan of the personnel though. Jack needs to be starting.


yep...
with biglia / kessie just staying in back without being too adventurous and letting paqueta / calhanouglu and suso being upfront is getting some good understanding between them... i cant remember we registered this much of shots or chances created.

hernandez on width is getting plenty of spaces too
you will never hear anyone say calhanoglu being the best player so far


i have to say i am pretty content so far with the first half - good understanding in build up, plenty of shots, collaborating well from the back... kessie should just stay at the back and stop thinking he is a forward or a winger... he is actually doing well helping biglia
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Post by JespSwe Yesterday at 8:42 pm

man im so glad real gave us theo .... cant remember we had LWB this good since like serginho or when kaladze was playing as LB. he has good room for improvement and chance to become a very good fullback for both club and country.

its just that sometimes he runs so fast and i feel like he is going to tangle or someone mistimes tackle and he will be out for months...
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Post by Firenze Yesterday at 8:44 pm

always find it funny when I check Milan scores and see the people that get slaughtered online by their fans getting the goals. Respect your scrubs pls.
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Post by Casciavit Yesterday at 8:44 pm

I don't care if it's against Lecce, but this is the best performance we've had in a long time. We are usually dire against shitty teams too so this is refreshing to watch.

The difference a marauding FB makes is insane. It's no surprise that every CL winner since Chelsea 2012 has had adventurous FB's capable of dominating their entire flank. The difference between Theo and Rodriguez is astronomical.

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Post by Casciavit Yesterday at 8:46 pm

@Firenze wrote:always find it funny when I check Milan scores and see the people that get slaughtered online by their fans getting the goals. Respect your scrubs pls.


The fans whistled when the names of Biglia, Suso, and Hakan were read out at San Siro. There were whistles also for Kessie and Ricardo Rodriguez. Laughing


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Post by JespSwe Yesterday at 8:49 pm

@Firenze wrote:always find it funny when I check Milan scores and see the people that get slaughtered online by their fans getting the goals. Respect your scrubs pls.


fans is not going to spoon feed scrub players.. not after the pile of s..t we are in...

they will have to earn that respect.. if they continue to play well they will get enough respect
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Post by JespSwe Yesterday at 8:50 pm

@Casciavit wrote:
@Firenze wrote:always find it funny when I check Milan scores and see the people that get slaughtered online by their fans getting the goals.  Respect your scrubs pls.


The fans whistled when the names of Biglia, Suso, and Hakan were read out at San Siro. There were whistles also for Kessie and Ricardo Rodriguez. Laughing



tbh i think they had it ... and i think that kicked some sense in players... Clubber
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Post by Arquitecto Yesterday at 8:52 pm

Not surprised by the improvement shown tonight.

Pioli IS a GOOD tactician that was never in any doubt. Problem was not just that he is the second Interista on board but a very unambitious choice who isn't a proven winner in any sense.

But his core understanding of the game, tactics and work with players is commendable.

Giampaolo was a dreamer and too philosophical without implementing what he believed in.

Pioli will just get it done, even if the results are unspectacular.

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Post by Arquitecto Yesterday at 9:03 pm

Leao is just a constant threat on the left side. A bit overzealous with the ball and lacks final end product but his raw talent is very high, though still raw.

Reminds me of Niang and not just not cosmetic reasons but playing style using those long legs.

One key difference is that Leao is good whilst Niang was always an extremely overhyped nobody who has yet to produce anything of note in his career and never believed in him either.

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Post by JespSwe Yesterday at 9:06 pm

@Arquitecto wrote:Leao is just a constant threat on the left side. A bit overzealous with the ball and lacks final end product but his raw talent is very high, though still raw.

Reminds me of Niang and not just not cosmetic reasons but playing style using those long legs.

One key difference is that Leao is good whilst Niang was always an extremely overhyped nobody who has yet to produce anything of note in his career and never believed in him either.


true ... Leao has to be careful... at this point he has been given faith to show case his worth.. these opportunities wont come by often..

upto him to become the tremendous player he can be or be like niang and end up being loaned after loan
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Post by JespSwe Yesterday at 9:07 pm

1-1.. conti gave pk reviwed by VAR
nevertheless more good outweighting than bad from milan cmon!
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