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Post by Robespierre on Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:25 am

I think it is a global problem.
Moving player is being impossible, in a certain sense the bubble burst.
For years clubs have overpaid players and everyone pays the bill  now because it's complicated to move them.
Not few players have contracts who make as impossible a transfer in lower clubs.
Moreover Paratici had  sold some players but they've refused. Same for Inter. We are content with PSG of loan with option to buy ,  but we could have achieved   rich offers if he 'd have accepted ( and who knows, we could have Milinkovic Savic now).
But if Icardi (Inter) or Mandzukic ( Juve ) refuse even important clubs ( Napoli and PSG are attractive clubs and give great contract. Result ? They refuse anyway.) , Marotta and Paratici can do nothing and I feel they can't be so blamed for it.

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Post by rincon on Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:51 am

They cant be blamed for players blocking moves. I dont blame Paratici for that.

The thing to improve is the clarity of the planning. With changing to Paratici and Sarri at the same time the squad planning was delayed and confused. Sarri had to evaluate the whole squad during the market while Paratici had to move the market. There should have probably been more clarity towards the players if the management aligned and made faster decisions. Totally freezing out Matuidi, Can, and Mandzukic would have helped.

Not big mistakes in the end, but their valuations will suffer. Can, Mandzukic, Perin, Rugani(?), Pjaca are gonna at the latest next summer.

Marotta shares part of the blame here, extending the contracts of Khedira, Mandzukic, Matuidi last year was unnecessary. As was signing Emre Can.
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Post by Warrior on Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:09 am

Marotta is a smart man, now we can understand why he extend Khedira, Mandzukic etc even if they were clearly at the end of their rope

Either a sabotage job...
... Or more likely, he did it to make sure there was stability for at least one year after his departure. But Paratici actually did many transfers and nobody could predict these players will refuse to move.

I don't think it's much an issue for Juve because of their professionalism. That's why i believe Inter did well by getting rid of unwanted Nainggolan and Icardi even at low cost: they are not known to be mature persons and less drama is the better.
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Post by Robespierre on Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:52 am

@rincon wrote:They cant be blamed for players blocking moves. I dont blame Paratici for that.

The thing to improve is the clarity of the planning. With changing to Paratici and Sarri at the same time the squad planning was delayed and confused. Sarri had to evaluate the whole squad during the market while Paratici had to move the market. There should have probably been more clarity towards the players if the management aligned and made faster decisions. Totally freezing out Matuidi, Can, and Mandzukic would have helped.

Not big mistakes in the end, but their valuations will suffer. Can, Mandzukic, Perin, Rugani(?), Pjaca are gonna at the latest next summer.

Marotta shares part of the blame here, extending the contracts of Khedira, Mandzukic, Matuidi last year was unnecessary. As was signing Emre Can.


Even Matuidi?
I had read no

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Post by rincon on Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:21 pm

He was supposed to be sold in the initial plan and Can being part of the team. It changed in the end due to Matuidi not wanting to leave and Can being a misfit for Sarri.
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Post by McLewis on Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:44 am

His Players Tribune post was an excellent read as well.

Here it is.

One of my favorite players right now along with Van Dijk. I can think of very few sides he wouldn't walk into.
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Post by Robespierre on Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:16 pm


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Post by Sina on Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:31 pm

hmm,this North vs South disparity is something i wanted to ask you actually,i mean in general ,not just football

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Post by Robespierre on Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:33 pm

what interests you to know ?

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Post by Sina on Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:40 pm

i have only heard that many used to (but still do?) move from southern cities to north in hope of better job or life overall,is it still a thing and why there is such a difference?

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:46 am

some slight pressure on Jjuve today, no? :coffee:

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Post by Robespierre on Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:07 am

@Sina wrote:i have only heard that many used to (but still do?) move from southern cities to north in hope of better job or life overall,is it still a thing and why there is such a difference?

North Italy is simply more industrialized than Southern Italy.
. The city of Turin joins Milan and Genoa to create the famous “industrial triangle” of Italy, itself playing a major economic role for the country.
In fact  Milan is considered as the " Moral Capital of Italy" because it is the economical engine of the Country.
Origins were born after the unification of Italy , Southern  economy had remained at that time  on agricultural bases, while Northen Italy began that  widespreaded  and superior process of industrialization  . The gap increased during the " Italian economic miracle " ,  a period of strong economic growth in Italy after the Second World War from the 1950s to the late 1960s- who gave further industrial power to North . In fact in this phases many Southern ppl emigrated to the Nord (and, as every immigration , the racism was consequent, with ppl who didn't want to rent ppl to Southern ppl ).
So the South stayed behind, continues to grow at a slower rate than North and  unemployment  rate is much higher.

Anyway De Laurentiis wanted to provoke his fans who tend always to the victimization with his words.
And I feel he wasn't so wrong
For me Neapolitan passion is overrated.
They're passionate surely but not more than others.
And when you read Napoli fans give just 8'000
subscriptions in their golden period, while Inter / Milan give 35'000 - 30'000 in their bad period, you realize it is so.
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Post by Sina on Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:42 am

Thanks
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Fiore-Juve and Genoa-Ata are matches im looking forward to

only negative about CL midweeks is that there is less time to catch up with replay of some of the matches that missed watching during Sat/Sun

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Post by Warrior on Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:47 am

Ugly performance so far
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Post by rincon on Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:56 am

Our players look disconnected and Fiorentina are doing everything right.

The extreme press should get them tired soon. Hopefully. I think we saw the best of Fiore this first half. Pjanic and Costa went off injured. Everything set for dropping points but surviving that Fiore relatively unharmed looks good for a second half winner.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:26 am

RIBERY RIBERY RIBERY

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Post by rincon on Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:28 am

yet another injury.

3rd forced change, now with Cuadrado on as 3rd choice RB.
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Post by Nishankly on Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:29 am

How's De Shite doing?
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:31 am

How have Fiorentina not scored yet?!

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:32 am

@Hapless_Hans wrote:How have Fiorentina not scored yet?!


because Chiesa can't hit a barn door ffs

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:36 am

Montella, Prince Boateng on for Ribéry

STUFF OF LEGENDS

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Post by Luca on Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:38 am

Juve super outclassed today

If we win it’s a steal
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:41 am

Italian Schürrle attempting a dive

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:43 am

@Luca wrote:Juve super outclassed today

If we win it’s a steal


with Ribéry off, Fiorentina look somewhat deflated and have started to cede possession.

Think there will be a Juve winner, own goal or Ronaldo, soon.

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Post by rincon on Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:01 am

What a bad match
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