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Post by El Gunner on Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:02 pm

@Jay29 wrote:They'll win next week when Emery rolls out a 3-4-3 diamond and leaves his best players on the bench.


give your manager a little bit more respect

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A classic 4-3 win.

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Post by CBarca on Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:07 pm

Just this weekend we've got United x1, Spurs x2, City x1. I might be missing more.

I can't recall as many pens being missed consistently as they have been now. I just wonder, personally, if perhaps the refs are not as willing to give pens in game knowing that VAR will review it?

And that, given the high threshold from EPL's implementation, those VAR refs do not feel they can overrule the ref?

Just some thoughts. That, of course, wouldn't be the fault of VAR but rather the EPL's fault

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Post by CBarca on Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:08 pm

Let's be honest here, Emery deserves very little respect in his tenure as Arsenal manager.

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Post by Thimmy on Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:21 pm

VAR doesn't make much sense to me in it's current state in the EPL. You'd think the refs who are able to view situations from multiple angles,  play them back, zoom in and out, really analyze them thoroughly, would have a better grasp of what actually happens on the pitch. Yet, the on-field refs seem to think they know better 90% of the time. I don't know if it's a matter of pride or the high threshold, or a bit of both, but it's highly ineffective.

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Post by El Gunner on Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:03 pm

@CBarca wrote:Just this weekend we've got United x1, Spurs x2, City x1. I might be missing more.

I can't recall as many pens being missed consistently as they have been now. I just wonder, personally, if perhaps the refs are not as willing to give pens in game knowing that VAR will review it?

And that, given the high threshold from EPL's implementation, those VAR refs do not feel they can overrule the ref?

Just some thoughts. That, of course, wouldn't be the fault of VAR but rather the EPL's fault


Good point.

But as ever you got the last part wrong. VAR as the entire concept is at fault.
Ask yourself, why did the EPL feel the need to implement VAR in that manner. The problem area starts from the concept of VAR.

@CBarca wrote:Let's be honest here, Emery deserves very little respect in his tenure as Arsenal manager.


I would advise you to keep your opinions limited to your own team. Most terrible start you guys have made in a while, while on the other hand we've made arguably our best in 10 years.

Can't wait to outplay and spank you next weekend.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:15 pm

The FA chose to implement this in this way because they want to keep the ability to benefit whoever they please, of course. Time for EPLpoli. Will the whistleblowers please step up

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Post by CBarca on Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:28 pm

I wouldn't consider the way Arsenal have started this season to be that great of a reflection of Emery's ability, or Arsenal's ability, either.

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Post by Firenze on Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:02 pm

Brucey is already eclipsing Rafa's tenure ffs

historic win
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Post by Sina on Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:03 pm

True,we play crap football and only achieve the minimum(Narrow wins)in games we are expected to win

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Post by Firenze on Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:05 pm

a top 4 fight is all anyone expected from Arsenal this season and based on the first few games, that's exactly what'll happen. Gonna be them, us and Wolves IMO.

Spurs looking very shaky too, but they have too much quality to not get over this.
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Post by Arquitecto on Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:26 pm

@Firenze wrote:Brucey is already eclipsing Rafa's tenure ffs

historic win


This isn't new for Brucie. He had a historic run in Birmingham City.

Wigan.
Sunderland
And of course his time in Hull.


And now is on his way taking over the other side of Tyne in Newcastle.

End of season he will be crowed King of Tyne & Wear as it is.

Terrific player he was, too.

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Post by Kaladin on Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:35 pm

Never want to hear Rafer's name ever again

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Post by Firenze on Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:02 pm

Brucie dominating last seasons CL finalists

meanwhile, Rafa in China....

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Post by RealGunner on Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:03 pm

lmao what a fraud. No wonder no big club approached him.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:09 pm

I don't need to say anything because you guys will get very, very quiet the minute it will become obvious we're going down lol.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:29 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I don't need to say anything because you guys will get very, very quiet the minute it will become obvious we're going down lol.



No we won't. We'll loudly proclaim that this would never have happened with Sir Pardew, and similar stuff.

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Post by Doc on Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:14 am

How can you be so sure of going down after 3 games? That's almost as wild as Utd fans thinking they were gonna be title challengers after beating Chelsea's under 23 side 1st matchday.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:16 am

@Doc wrote:How can you be so sure of going down after 3 games? That's almost as wild as Utd fans thinking they were gonna be title challengers after beating Chelsea's under 23 side 1st matchday.


Team is awful and Steve Bruce is a moron.

It's a complete and utter miracle if they don't go down. They conceded 3 to Norwich ffs.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:17 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
@Doc wrote:How can you be so sure of going down after 3 games? That's almost as wild as Utd fans thinking they were gonna be title challengers after beating Chelsea's under 23 side 1st matchday.


Team is awful and Steve Bruce is a moron.

It's a complete and utter miracle if they don't go down. They conceded 3 to Norwich ffs.


Norwich is a strong attacking side tbf

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Post by Arquitecto on Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:20 pm

Steve Bruce a moron...

Okay Mole Laughing

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:25 pm

Arq when it comes to Newcastle and Rafa I'm not particularly good at dealing with jokes Laughing
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Post by RealGunner on Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:24 pm

You must have heard about the Bolton situation by now.

Pretty sad to see a club like that about to disappear.
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Post by Jay29 on Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:32 pm

Bolton and Bury had until 17:00 today to find new owners or face expulsion from the Football League. Sadly, it seems neither were successful.

Two of the oldest clubs in England, both with strong connections to their local communities, both screwed by owners. Bolton were a Premier League club seven or eight years ago. It wasn't that long ago that they were in Europe with Sam Allardyce as manager, and players like Kevin Nolan, Jay-Jay Okocha, Stelios, Kevin Davies and Nicolas Anelka. Bury were promoted to League 1 last season, but have been unable to fulfil any of their six fixtures so far and are about to go bust.

I imagine there are still talks going on to save them, but it's not looking good at the moment.
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Post by RealGunner on Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:39 pm

There might be more chances of saving Bolton since it has more 'appeal' to it but Bury looks to be finished unfortunately.

I don't know how someone can run a club to the ground? Why would you buy it when you had no aim to maintain it.

I remember how Bolton always used to be around in the PL. One of those clubs you would never expect to go on the brink of liquidation because of their rich history and connection.

I hope someone rescues it.
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Post by Thimmy on Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:46 pm

I hope they find a solution to keeping Bolton alive as a club. I remember always getting Bolton's trading cards when I was in elementary school back during the 90s, and so the mental image of them being one of the more memorable or recognizable, British clubs has been permanently ingrained into my brain. Although, they're not very relevant in the PL anymore, I imagine it will feel odd to not have them around at all.

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Post by Jay29 on Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:59 pm

There's info on Bury's situation here:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/29/bury-financial-crisis-loan-former-owner-stewart-day-winding-up-petition-debt

If I have it right, their previous owner, Stewart Day, ran a property company that loaned £4.2m to Bury, but then it went bust and had to pay creditors, leaseholders and the HMRC. Day also took out other loans worth £3.7m which he secured against the club and its stadium. Apparently their total debts are now £8m and they owe £800,000 in tax. That's huge money for a club that was in League 2 last season.

Bolton seem to be a similar case. Mounting debts and not enough income to sustain it. They benefited from a very benevolent owner who invested £185m of his own wealth into the club and underwrote losses. Their expenditure was always higher than its income during their time in the PL, and it just got worse when they were relegated and their owner decided to leave. The guy who replaced him, Ken Anderson, had been banned as a director for a long time because eight of his companies went bankrupt. Naturally he didn't have the funds to sustain them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47691385

It's part of an ongoing trend in the Championship. Relegated clubs struggle to reduce their expenditure back to Championship level because the disparity between it and the PL is so big. Either that, or they keep investing with that PL money to go back up straight away. Very high risk, as we're seeing.
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