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Post by RealGunner on Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:50 pm

Group F: Arsenal, Eintracht Frankfurt, Standard Liege, Vitoria



Pretty good draw tbh. Some semi-competitive teams and all in civilisation.
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Post by El Gunner on Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:30 pm

and all in civilisation.

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Post by RealGunner on Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:38 pm

Vitoria SC v Arsenal
Europa League group stage
Wednesday, November 6
Kick-off 3.50pm (local and UK time)


what is this?
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Post by Jay29 on Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:18 pm

"Due to other matches taking place in close proximity in Portugal." Apparently.

Wtf are they thinking with that kick-off time, though. It'll be over by the time I get in from work ffs.
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Post by RealGunner on Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:32 pm

Exactly. Same with 90% of the UK people unless they take leave or half day.

Awful by UEFA
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Post by RealGunner on Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:38 pm

Just realised it's the 5th EL game when we will be comfortably through so forget booking half day or shit.

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Post by Jay29 on Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:31 pm

Team tonight:

Martinez; Chambers, Mustafi, Luiz, Kolasinac; Torreira, Xhaka, Willock; Saka, Aubameyang, Smith Rowe

Subs: Leno, Maitland-Niles, Guendouzi, Ceballos, Nelson, Pepe, Martinelli
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Post by El Gunner on Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:48 pm

Is Saka at the same level as Martinelli?
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Post by Jay29 on Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:52 pm

Who knows? Nobody has seen Martinelli play that much.

As I understand it though, Martinelli is more of a forward while Saka is a winger. So based on needs, Saka starting makes more sense.
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Post by Jay29 on Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:47 pm

Somehow, Arsenal are still leading at half-time.

It's been an open game with chances either end. Frankfurt have been generous and have given the ball away in their own third a lot, which has led to some excellent chances for Smith Rowe, Torreira and Willock that weren't taken. At the other end, Arsenal's defending has been last ditch stuff. Frankfurt have racked up the shots, just as Watford did, and it's thanks to Martinez they haven't scored yet.

Despite some good individual performances - yes, that includes Xhaka and Mustafi - the team was too stretched and it's leaving so much space for Frankfurt on the edge of the box. The defence sits deep while the forwards stay high. For every counter Arsenal have, Frankfurt can counter just as easily.
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Post by Jay29 on Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:52 pm

Frankfurt should have scored at least a couple tonight, so 3-0 is flattering, but it's a much needed win after that shitshow at Watford.

Martinez was excellent, and Saka really turned it up for the second half. Saka's probably the most talented of all the kids coming through at the moment. He should be getting more games over Nelson imo.
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Post by RealGunner on Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:01 pm

I fully agree about Saka>Nelson.

Willock is a monster in making too.

Emery back in is it?
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Post by Sina on Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:29 pm

for the first time ever i actually enjoyed EL Group stage match
proper end to end stuff with fantastic atmosphere
Happy for Saka and Willock

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Post by RealGunner on Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:35 pm

@Sina wrote:for the first time ever i actually enjoyed EL Group stage match
proper end to end stuff with fantastic atmosphere
Happy for Saka and Willock


Shame i missed most of it. No idea why they can't have Arsenal games at 8. We are bigger than EL
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Post by boyzis on Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:41 pm

We started off very bad but the result somehow finishes 3-0 anyways the glaring issues are still there. Arsenal defenders keep a very deep defensive line and invite pressure on themselves. We will concede against good teams if the same tactic is deployed. Around the 30mins mark arsenal started to commit men forward our defensive line moved up. The gap between forwards and defenders gradually reduced. However, this created alot of one by one situations on which arsenal could have conceded. Luiz being the culprit always keeps dropping back. The fact that emery played 5 midfielders helped in keeping the clean sheet.
I think emery really needs to work on his defenders, the defensive line and improving his midfield as they really need to gel together. Imo holding has a great positioning sense and he will work with luiz/sokartis i hope he comes back.

Arsenal need a few games against easier opponents to gel the team and get their tactical set up correct if that happens i think its a huge step in the right direction
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Post by Jay29 on Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:44 pm

If Emery wants his forwards to stay up up for counters, he needs to encourage his defensive line to be higher as well. As it is, any time those forwards get bypassed, the opposition get a free run at that defence.

It was really pronounced tonight, too, because Willock, Saka, Smith Rowe/Pepe and Auba were all told to stay up the pitch while the defence and Xhaka/Torreira stayed mostly in their own half. I thought the back six did pretty well considering how much pressure they came under throughout the game.
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Post by boyzis on Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:46 pm

i forgot to add arsenal found it very difficult to play against high pressure they must learn to deal with high press. therefore playing from the back is big no. Moreover, arsenals own pressing was disjointed and they did not press like a team.

It will improve if emery does not change the formation every game and midfield players develop better understanding of each others movements.
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Post by Jay29 on Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:05 am

It's Nottingham Forest in the Carabao Cup tonight. Expecting a very different team. My guess:

Martinez; Chambers, Holding, Mustafi, Kolasinac; Torreira, Willock; Saka, Smith Rowe, Nelson; Martinelli

Apparently, Bellerin and Tierney will be in the 18. Ozil trained yesterday as well, so maybe he'll get a start. But who knows with him, honestly.
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Post by Jay29 on Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:57 pm

Official team:

Martinez; Chambers, Mustafi, Holding, Tierney; Torreira, Willock; Smith Rowe, Ozil, Nelson; Martinelli

Subs: Macey, Bellerin, Bola, Burton, Ceballos, Saka, Balogun

I'm a bit surprised John-Jules didn't get a spot on the bench, but pleased to see Balogun get a reward for his great form recently.
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Post by urbaNRoots on Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:11 pm

Really exciting team!
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Post by RealGunner on Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:12 pm

Very exciting team. Don't care if we win or lose. Just want them to perform well and play without restriction.

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Post by Jay29 on Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:33 pm

Kick-off delayed 15 minutes until 20:00 UK time due to travel difficulties for supporters.

There's been a few road closures due to rain, so not surprising.
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Post by Nishankly on Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:39 pm

Tierney and Bellerin :bow: :bow:
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Post by El Gunner on Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:49 pm

gunna watch because of Martinelli and Tierney bounce
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Post by Jay29 on Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:58 pm

Watching a dodgy stream with Danish commentary. Gotta love the Carabao Cup third round lol.
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