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Post by Babun on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:14 pm

Anyone who knows little bit about marketing will know that it's super hard to bring up a brand with damaged image. Juventus are running themselves into the ground for years. Each time, they sign a bunch of average players and a ' savior' who is supposed to achieve big things. Diego, Amauri, Melo...the list goes on. Their management is totally incompetent( Secco, Marotta...). Once, you lose your appeal you have to work 10x as hard to get the fanbase back. In the long run, Juve is going to be an average / low level club if nothing is changed. It doesn't help that they take further risks again with a coach who isn't proven in Serie A or other big leagues.

So what are the objectives? Scudetto? AC Milan, Inter and even Napoli are more talented and better teams overall than Juve. Vucinic a turnaround? He is neither a prospect nor a superstar. Why did they pay whole 15 millions for him? Very Happy
They're at the point where big stars aren't attracted by the prospect of being a Juventus player. Notable names in recent time would be Kun Aguero or Rossi.

The managment wasted time and resources so much that a quick renaissance for Juve isn't possible anymore. A longer stay in mediocority is apparent :lol!:

edit: the price tag for Vucinic was corrected from 18 to 15( still too much).


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Post by S on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:15 pm

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Post by the xcx on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:16 pm

babun1024 wrote:Anyone who knows little bit about marketing will know that it's super hard to bring up a brand with damaged image. Juventus are running themselves into the ground for years. Each time, they sign a bunch of average players and a ' savior' who is supposed to achieve big things. Diego, Amauri, Melo...the list goes on. Their management is totally retarded. Once, you lose your appeal you have to work 10x as hard to get the fanbase back. In the long run, Juve is going to be an average club/ low level club.

So what are the objectives? Scudetto? AC Milan, Inter and even Napoli are more talented and better teams overall than Juve. Vucinic a turnaround? He is neither a prospect nor a superstar. Why did they pay whole 18 millions for him? Very Happy

You had your chances last two years but from now on I don't believe in a renaissance for Juve anymore. Welcome mediocority, bye bye big club status/ appeal. Sorry delusional fans,the truth hurts :lol!:
haha, your looking for a ban arent you? Very Happy
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Post by JuvenelCuore on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:16 pm

Thank you. I posted this in the Juventus section and it made people quit the forum apparently. People cannot handle the truth, but I am glad you have made it known.

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Post by Zamuro on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:17 pm

babun1024 wrote:Anyone who knows little bit about marketing will know that it's super hard to bring up a brand with damaged image. Juventus are running themselves into the ground for years. Each time, they sign a bunch of average players and a ' savior' who is supposed to achieve big things. Diego, Amauri, Melo...the list goes on. Their management is totally retarded. Once, you lose your appeal you have to work 10x as hard to get the fanbase back. In the long run, Juve is going to be an average club/ low level club.

So what are the objectives? Scudetto? AC Milan, Inter and even Napoli are more talented and better teams overall than Juve. Vucinic a turnaround? He is neither a prospect nor a superstar. Why did they pay whole 18 millions for him? Very Happy
They're at a point whre stars don't accept their money ( Aguero, Rossi anyone...)!

You had your chances last two years but from now on I don't believe in a renaissance for Juve anymore. Welcome mediocority, bye bye big club status/ appeal. Sorry delusional fans,the truth hurts :lol!:

They were not bought by Marotta... Rolling Eyes

Oh, and the contract of Vucinic is 15 millions paid in 3 years...


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Post by JuvenelCuore on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:18 pm

And the negative repping continues.

Thanks Surag.

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Post by 7amood11 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:19 pm

Man, you really need some patience... The transfer window is not over yet.

We've signed some good players so far, such as Lictsteiner and Vucinic.

We've also signed some very good players, such as Vidal and Pirlo.

Will a superstar come this summer? I don't know, but only time will tell. You can't say "Oh Juve haven't signed a superstar this summer" when the window isn't even over yet.


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Post by S on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:19 pm

Oh please..ppl dint quit the forum for such a silly reason/thread..

And Babun you can reserve your judgement until the window closes..
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Post by Babun on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:24 pm

Maurotaurox wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Anyone who knows little bit about marketing will know that it's super hard to bring up a brand with damaged image. Juventus are running themselves into the ground for years. Each time, they sign a bunch of average players and a ' savior' who is supposed to achieve big things. Diego, Amauri, Melo...the list goes on. Their management is totally retarded. Once, you lose your appeal you have to work 10x as hard to get the fanbase back. In the long run, Juve is going to be an average club/ low level club.

So what are the objectives? Scudetto? AC Milan, Inter and even Napoli are more talented and better teams overall than Juve. Vucinic a turnaround? He is neither a prospect nor a superstar. Why did they pay whole 18 millions for him? Very Happy
They're at a point whre stars don't accept their money ( Aguero, Rossi anyone...)!

You had your chances last two years but from now on I don't believe in a renaissance for Juve anymore. Welcome mediocority, bye bye big club status/ appeal. Sorry delusional fans,the truth hurts :lol!:

They were not bought by Marotta... Rolling Eyes

Oh, and the contract of Vucinic is 15 millions paid in 3 years...
Still too much, like I said he is neither a prospect nor a superstar. To the second point, I said retarded management it means Marotta & co.

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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:25 pm

Well, I do agree with you when it comes to Marotta, but do you even know what you are talking about? Because, surely you are using false information to even back up with your trying to prove. As mentioned before Diego, Amauri and Melo were never brought by Marotta, but by Secco. At that time, Marotta was still in Sampdoria. Correction on the deal, it's 15m and not 18m plus it is paid by supplements and not all in one shot.

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Post by 7amood11 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:26 pm

babun1024 wrote:
Maurotaurox wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Anyone who knows little bit about marketing will know that it's super hard to bring up a brand with damaged image. Juventus are running themselves into the ground for years. Each time, they sign a bunch of average players and a ' savior' who is supposed to achieve big things. Diego, Amauri, Melo...the list goes on. Their management is totally retarded. Once, you lose your appeal you have to work 10x as hard to get the fanbase back. In the long run, Juve is going to be an average club/ low level club.

So what are the objectives? Scudetto? AC Milan, Inter and even Napoli are more talented and better teams overall than Juve. Vucinic a turnaround? He is neither a prospect nor a superstar. Why did they pay whole 18 millions for him? Very Happy
They're at a point whre stars don't accept their money ( Aguero, Rossi anyone...)!

You had your chances last two years but from now on I don't believe in a renaissance for Juve anymore. Welcome mediocority, bye bye big club status/ appeal. Sorry delusional fans,the truth hurts :lol!:

They were not bought by Marotta... Rolling Eyes

Oh, and the contract of Vucinic is 15 millions paid in 3 years...
Still too much, like I said he is neither a prospect nor a superstar. To the second point, I said retarded management it means Marotta & co.

So EVERY player has to be a prospect/superstar? Teams have to sign solid squad players you know.
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Post by JuvenelCuore on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:27 pm

Surag.Blueguy wrote:Oh please..ppl dint quit the forum for such a silly reason/thread..

And Babun you can reserve your judgement until the window closes..

Yeah it is not like Marotta had all last year to improve Juventus. 7th place.


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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:28 pm

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Still too much, like I said he is neither a prospect nor a superstar. To the second point, I said retarded management it means Marotta & co.

To much? Not quite, in fact his retail value on the market is 20m, not 15m. So getting him under value was actually good. Usually clubs want more then what they are valued. Those who in fact were overpaid, were the likes of Martinez and Lichstiener players who are average, Vucinic is no where near that, he's class and his value is perfect. As for the management, none of them are. Blanc was the one who in fact got us the first owned stadium in Italy, Agnelli is right now the first president since Calciopoli getting justice, as of now, I would just direct it to Marotta and nobody else.

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Post by JuvenelCuore on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:28 pm

@7amood11 wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Maurotaurox wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Anyone who knows little bit about marketing will know that it's super hard to bring up a brand with damaged image. Juventus are running themselves into the ground for years. Each time, they sign a bunch of average players and a ' savior' who is supposed to achieve big things. Diego, Amauri, Melo...the list goes on. Their management is totally retarded. Once, you lose your appeal you have to work 10x as hard to get the fanbase back. In the long run, Juve is going to be an average club/ low level club.

So what are the objectives? Scudetto? AC Milan, Inter and even Napoli are more talented and better teams overall than Juve. Vucinic a turnaround? He is neither a prospect nor a superstar. Why did they pay whole 18 millions for him? Very Happy
They're at a point whre stars don't accept their money ( Aguero, Rossi anyone...)!

You had your chances last two years but from now on I don't believe in a renaissance for Juve anymore. Welcome mediocority, bye bye big club status/ appeal. Sorry delusional fans,the truth hurts :lol!:

They were not bought by Marotta... Rolling Eyes

Oh, and the contract of Vucinic is 15 millions paid in 3 years...
Still too much, like I said he is neither a prospect nor a superstar. To the second point, I said retarded management it means Marotta & co.

So EVERY player has to be a prospect/superstar? Teams have to sign solid squad players you know.

Vucinic was more than Krasic [starter], Matri [starter], Quagliarella [potential starter], Pirlo [starter], equal to Bonucci [starter], more than Vidal [starter], and he is going to be a squad player ?

Doubt it.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:28 pm

According to La Stampa, they are after a LW and a CB. so Vucinic was indeed replacement for aguero and rossi.

the names running around for LW are vargas and bastos, CB lugano.

they are going to have a solid team

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Post by JuvenelCuore on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:29 pm

@7amood11 wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Maurotaurox wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Anyone who knows little bit about marketing will know that it's super hard to bring up a brand with damaged image. Juventus are running themselves into the ground for years. Each time, they sign a bunch of average players and a ' savior' who is supposed to achieve big things. Diego, Amauri, Melo...the list goes on. Their management is totally retarded. Once, you lose your appeal you have to work 10x as hard to get the fanbase back. In the long run, Juve is going to be an average club/ low level club.

So what are the objectives? Scudetto? AC Milan, Inter and even Napoli are more talented and better teams overall than Juve. Vucinic a turnaround? He is neither a prospect nor a superstar. Why did they pay whole 18 millions for him? Very Happy
They're at a point whre stars don't accept their money ( Aguero, Rossi anyone...)!

You had your chances last two years but from now on I don't believe in a renaissance for Juve anymore. Welcome mediocority, bye bye big club status/ appeal. Sorry delusional fans,the truth hurts :lol!:

They were not bought by Marotta... Rolling Eyes

Oh, and the contract of Vucinic is 15 millions paid in 3 years...
Still too much, like I said he is neither a prospect nor a superstar. To the second point, I said retarded management it means Marotta & co.

So EVERY player has to be a prospect/superstar? Teams have to sign solid squad players you know.

Vucinic was more than Krasic [starter], Matri [starter], Quagliarella [potential starter], Pirlo [starter], equal to Bonucci [starter], more than Vidal [starter], and he is going to be a squad player ?

Doubt it.

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Post by 7amood11 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:29 pm

The guy needs some more time. Rectifying Secco's mistakes aren't that easy.

I'm reserving my judgement till we reach halfway through next season.

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Post by S on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:30 pm

@JuvenelCuore wrote:
Surag.Blueguy wrote:Oh please..ppl dint quit the forum for such a silly reason/thread..

And Babun you can reserve your judgement until the window closes..

Yeah it is not like Marotta had all last year to improve Juventus. 7th place.

Could you pls zip your mouth..

I am finding it silly to respond to your posts..
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Post by 7amood11 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:31 pm

@JuvenelCuore wrote:
@7amood11 wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Maurotaurox wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Anyone who knows little bit about marketing will know that it's super hard to bring up a brand with damaged image. Juventus are running themselves into the ground for years. Each time, they sign a bunch of average players and a ' savior' who is supposed to achieve big things. Diego, Amauri, Melo...the list goes on. Their management is totally retarded. Once, you lose your appeal you have to work 10x as hard to get the fanbase back. In the long run, Juve is going to be an average club/ low level club.

So what are the objectives? Scudetto? AC Milan, Inter and even Napoli are more talented and better teams overall than Juve. Vucinic a turnaround? He is neither a prospect nor a superstar. Why did they pay whole 18 millions for him? Very Happy
They're at a point whre stars don't accept their money ( Aguero, Rossi anyone...)!

You had your chances last two years but from now on I don't believe in a renaissance for Juve anymore. Welcome mediocority, bye bye big club status/ appeal. Sorry delusional fans,the truth hurts :lol!:

They were not bought by Marotta... Rolling Eyes

Oh, and the contract of Vucinic is 15 millions paid in 3 years...
Still too much, like I said he is neither a prospect nor a superstar. To the second point, I said retarded management it means Marotta & co.

So EVERY player has to be a prospect/superstar? Teams have to sign solid squad players you know.

Vucinic was more than Krasic [starter], Matri [starter], Quagliarella [potential starter], Pirlo [starter], equal to Bonucci [starter], more than Vidal [starter], and he is going to be a squad player ?

Doubt it.

I don't know either, it all depends on his form and on the formation we will be playing this season...
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Post by JuvenelCuore on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:31 pm

Surag.Blueguy wrote:
@JuvenelCuore wrote:
Surag.Blueguy wrote:Oh please..ppl dint quit the forum for such a silly reason/thread..

And Babun you can reserve your judgement until the window closes..

Yeah it is not like Marotta had all last year to improve Juventus. 7th place.

Could you pls zip your mouth..

I am finding it silly to respond to your posts..

Anything you say Surag. but not actually.

Maybe we should talk about the "Azzuri" too. Rolling Eyes


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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:31 pm

@JuvenelCuore wrote:
Vucinic was more than Krasic [starter], Matri [starter], Quagliarella [potential starter], Pirlo [starter], equal to Bonucci [starter], more than Vidal [starter], and he is going to be a squad player ?

Doubt it.

Not entirely. Krasic was already equal to Vucinic as he came for 15m.
Matri on the other hand cost us 18.5m with supplements making it 3.5m more than Vucinic.
Vidal was a good deal none the less, he was paid under value just as Vucinic, both -5m from their retail values.
As for Quag and Bonucci, those are correct.

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Post by Art Morte on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:31 pm

Nah, you won't lose your appeal in a decade or so, and Juventus have been in a slump only for a couple of years. They still turn in loads of money every season. Although they have to work harder than normal to spend that money wisely now and make the right calls in every department, this is not a guarantee and we'll see how Juventus shall do in the near future.
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Post by 7amood11 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:32 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:According to La Stampa, they are after a LW and a CB. so Vucinic was indeed replacement for aguero and rossi.

the names running around for LW are vargas and bastos, CB lugano.

they are going to have a solid team

I wouldn't say that for sure... He could be our back-up SS instead of a LW.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:32 pm

Maybe the idea is to get back in CL in 2 or 3 years.

you should have let go of Chiellini, he would have been a RM legend by then

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