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Post by halamadrid2 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:28 pm

Merely One week left to the first showdown.....Get it off your chests buddies

lets talk tactics and formation in this thread

as our preseason now have concluded we can safely take some predicition with the starting eleven based on the previous games and how Mou has decided to play, tactics wise etc

ill start with the current only injury:

At the moment sergio ramos doesnt look as if he will make even the 2nd leg as he will be out for 10 days which means he will be back on the 17th which is when the 2nd leg will be played, so we can safely eliminate him from any kind of discussion

Granero got injured while training in china, but was back in action vs tianjin teda so should be available from selection for sundays meeting

Sahin however hasnt played a single game with the team since he recovered from an injury to his left knee he sustained in his first training for us

International duties:

Ozil and Khedira have been given rest by löwe so we dont need to worry about them getting injured while for the NT...ace

Argenitina have cancelled their match so DiMaria and Higgy will be given enough rest hopefully

As we all know Marcelo hasnt been selected( which is just better for us) so he is safe, but the rest have all been called up unfortunately

barring any injuries on wednesday or in training during the week, this is the squad i am 100% will be selected:

Goalies: Iker and Adan(maybe mejias as well)

Defenders: Marcelo, Alvaro Arbeloa, Albitrolol, Pepe, Carvalho, Varane, Nacho

Midfielders: Coentrao, Granero, Xabi, Callejon, DiMaria, Khedira, Ozil, Sahin and Kaka

Strikers: Ronaldo, Benzema, Higgy and Jese

this is the formation i think we will start with:

lets all be a bit realistic when choosing formations shall we, like fo example sahin wont start even if Mou's life depended on it so no need to put him in there just for the sake of it

----------------Iker------------------
Robcop--Pepe---Varane---Marcelo
Khedira-------Alonso------Coentrao
CR7---------Benzema-----DiMagia

seems plausible to me, by that dimagia will be allowed to attack and coentrao will be tracking alvez's runs instead, they will make meat out of that side...

on barcas side, the only injury(ies) i know of is that of Puyols and afellay all others have already recovered. Sanchez has just joined the teams training same for Messi due to their Copa Ameirca involvement, however alves is still in brazil and should be back on thursday. Lol way to go letting them join the team when there is no games left to play to increase their match fittness before the game, but whatever works for them i guess

i think barca starts with this formation:

---------------------Valdez-----------------------
Alvez---Pique--March/Abidal----Abidal/Adriano
Xavi----------------Busquets-------------Iniesta
Pedro---------------Messi--------------Villa

i think its safe to say that villa will flop this game, he hasnt looked so good in preseason despite his two goals, messi has no game practise, xavi and iniesta have hardly played together and puyol being injured for a long period, who do you think we should be most scared of.


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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:33 pm

I just don't like a lineup without Ozil. Di Maria and Coentrao cannot facilitate the transition from defense to offense as they don't have midfielder's instinct or passing ability. Khedira and Alonso are the only links. I don't think that will work at all... way too conservative for a game in Madrid and a Barca without Puyol. Need to be more aggressive in this one.

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Post by Zealous on Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:46 pm

Ozil will start for sure. Either Coentrao or Di Maria will bite the bullet.

Anyway Let's slay these clowns.



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Post by ÖMARz on Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:52 pm

@Zealous wrote:Ozil will start for sure. Either Coentrao or Di Maria will bite the bullet.

Anyway Let's slay these clowns.



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Coentrao wont get the start and im very sure of it. Di maria is proven in classicos whereas we still havent seen coentrao perform at his best. I honestly dont think mourinho will play ozil from the very beginning unless hes aiming to attack first. Ozil will lose stamina and we'll lose an attacking outlet. Id expect to see ozil brought on later in the game as mou likes to hit barca when they're starting to lose pace. Anyway, Guess we have to wait and see what the special one will do this time round.

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Post by FennecFox7 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:52 pm

Let's go madrid. Beat the evilness!
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Post by Zealous on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:02 pm

@ÖMARz wrote:
@Zealous wrote:Ozil will start for sure. Either Coentrao or Di Maria will bite the bullet.

Anyway Let's slay these clowns.



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Coentrao wont get the start and im very sure of it. Di maria is proven in classicos whereas we still havent seen coentrao perform at his best. I honestly dont think mourinho will play ozil from the very beginning unless hes aiming to attack first. Ozil will lose stamina and we'll lose an attacking outlet. Id expect to see ozil brought on later in the game as mou likes to hit barca when they're starting to lose pace. Anyway, Guess we have to wait and see what the special one will do this time round.

Under normal circumstances I would agree but considering pre-season form/readiness it makes sense that the players who got the most minutes in addition to good performances will play.

Coentrao has got massive minutes so I doubt he'd just be dropped. Di maria just got back so him as a super sub with perhaps Higuain seems the likely scenario. Ozil will start I'm almost 100% sure. (Unless there's a last minute change of plan)


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Post by Doc on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:09 pm

Barcelona would be up for the challenge as always and probably show why they are an awesome team but I think they still lacking some serious match fitness and this is where Real Madrid have some sort of edge on them.

Personally, I could give a rat's ass how the result turns out. Once the team plays credible enough to show they mean business, then I could sleep pretty nicely.

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Post by The Madrid One on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:12 pm

a word of advice to madridistas when u go into these games go in thining that we will lose and how we will lose, that way if we do lose we wont get as butthurt as when we get raped.

or just be realistic

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Post by FalcaoPunch on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:13 pm

@Doc wrote:

Personally, I could give a rat's ass how the result turns out. Once the team plays credible enough to show they mean business, then I could sleep pretty nicely.
i was going to say the same thing.
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Post by the xcx on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:14 pm

win or lose, couldnt care because either way is a step forward imo
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Post by Pedram on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:20 pm

First Leg: 4-2-3-1

Casillas
Arbeloa - Pepe - Varane - Marcelo
Khedira - Xabi
Di Maria - Ozil - Ronaldo
Benzema

Second Leg: 4-3-3 (Counter Attacking style)

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Khedira - Xabi - Conterao
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Post by halamadrid2 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:25 pm

i dont think mou will take the risk of putting dimaria to the bench, we have to remember, away goals is our only downfall

he is using dimaria defensively

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Post by Doc on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:25 pm

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@Doc wrote:

Personally, I could give a rat's ass how the result turns out. Once the team plays credible enough to show they mean business, then I could sleep pretty nicely.
i was going to say the same thing.

Seriously, I have never cared about the Super Cup at all and have no plans to now. In fact, I tend to miss it since it tends to play on a Saturday and I always have something to do on a Saturday. Hope Real Madrid impress a lot but the result is of little value to me really...

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Post by halamadrid2 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:29 pm

its on sunday this time round

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:35 pm

The supercups all around are becoming more and more important. All you had to do was watch Milan-Inter and Man U-Man City... of course, the fact that they're rivalry games and you get to celebrate with a trophy makes it much, much sweeter than you average game.

I don't put it on par with the CDR, La Liga or CL obviously... but it's right after them now.

Serious game. Not preseason... truly a game.

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Post by ÖMARz on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:42 pm

@sportsczy wrote:The supercups all around are becoming more and more important. All you had to do was watch Milan-Inter and Man U-Man City... of course, the fact that they're rivalry games and you get to celebrate with a trophy makes it much, much sweeter than you average game.

I don't put it on par with the CDR, La Liga or CL obviously... but it's right after them now.

Serious game. Not preseason... truly a game.

This.

BTW, Have u guys considered that if we do happen to bring home the trophy...

Wouldnt it be such a nice thing to brag about because wed celebrate in barcas stadium, infront of their fans?


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Post by The Madrid One on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:43 pm

are there any unexpected strategies that mou might try to pull off?

line in first leg of cl which ultimatley failed because of alves?

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Post by ÖMARz on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:45 pm

@The Madrid One wrote:are there any unexpected strategies that mou might try to pull off?

line in first leg of cl which ultimatley failed because of alves?

Give coentrao a free role of pestering alves + xavi whilst contributing to attack and defense.

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Post by halamadrid2 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:45 pm

@ÖMARz wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:The supercups all around are becoming more and more important. All you had to do was watch Milan-Inter and Man U-Man City... of course, the fact that they're rivalry games and you get to celebrate with a trophy makes it much, much sweeter than you average game.

I don't put it on par with the CDR, La Liga or CL obviously... but it's right after them now.

Serious game. Not preseason... truly a game.

This.

BTW, Have u guys considered that if we do happen to bring home the trophy...

Wouldnt it be such a nice thing to brag about because wed celebrate in barcas stadium, infront of their fans?


they will have the sprinkle guys on stand-by i guess lol

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:50 pm

The key is to win the game in Madrid, preferably without conceding, to put the pressure on Barca. That doesn't mean we should play a 4-2-3-1... because if we do that, our forwards might as well bring lawn chairs and some drinks as they'll never see the ball. It does mean that you do not put Pepe in the middle (Coentrao instead) and you allow Ozil to create. Di Maria can be the super sub.

If we win at Madrid, then we can field our destroyer team to start in the second leg. If this happens, i'd actually put Pepe-Khedira-Xabi-Coentrao in the mid and CR7 and Di Maria up front. Complete brick wall tactics to start.

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Post by The Madrid One on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:51 pm

thats what he thought mou would do at cl but he didnt, always expect the unexpected

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:53 pm

Mou's strategy against Barca has been to put in a destroyer team to start and then sub in offensive players as Barca tires and the pressing goes down... it will probably happen again.

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:07 pm

Looks like Xavi got hurt in training today and will miss Spain's friendly... was sent home and is uncertain for the first leg. Now this would be huge. He's very, very important to that midfield.

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Post by buddytaller on Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:19 pm

Ozil will only start in midfield if Pepe is around, and Alonso is dropped.

Khedira - Pepe
Ozil

Other wise it will be the three Khedira, Pepe and Alonso in midfield.

Di Maria was probably the best player in the two friendlies he played in, he has the best work rate of all our forwards,he is a definite starter against Barcelona in Mourinho's books. Ronaldo will take one other slot in attack leaving the remaining for Ozil, Benzema and Coentrao.
Could easily be
Di Maria -Ronaldo - Coentroa
, or
Di Maria - Benzema - Ronaldo
or
Ozil - Ronaldo - Di Maria


Best Formation in my opinion with Ramos injured

Casillas
Arbeloa - Varane - Carvalho - Marcelo
Khedira - Pepe
Ozil
Di Maria - Benzema - Ronaldo

Probable Formation
Casillas
Arbeloa - Varane/Pepe - Carvalho - Marcelo
Khedira - Pepe/Coentrao - Alonso
Di Maria - Benzema - Ronaldo

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Post by halamadrid2 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:19 pm

you really think he is injured, i think they just said that because they dont ant him to play in that meaningless friendly

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